This movie is RIDICULOUS. For a couple of reasons
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Slt10T-1 — 16 years ago(August 16, 2009 02:22 PM)
This morning I was awoken by my alarm clock powered by electricity generated by the public power monopoly regulated by the US Department of Energy. I then took a shower in the clean water provided by the municipal water utility. After that, I turned on the TV to one of the FCC regulated channels to see what the national weather service of the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration determined the weather was going to be like using satellites designed, built, and launched by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. I watched this while eating my breakfast of US Department of Agriculture inspected food and taking the drugs which have been determined as safe by the Food and Drug Administration.
At the appropriate time as regulated by the US Congress and kept accurate by the National Institute of Standards and Technology and the US Naval Observatory, I get into my National Highway Traffic Safety Administration approved automobile and set out to work on the roads built by the local, state, and federal Departments of Transportation, possibly stopping to purchase additional fuel of a quality level determined by the Environmental Protection Agency, using legal tender issed by the Federal Reserve Bank. On the way out the door I deposit any mail I have to be sent out via the US Postal Service.
After spending another day not being maimed or killed at work thanks to the workplace regulations imposed by the Department of Labor and the Occupational Safety and Health Administration, enjoying another two meals which again do not kill me because of the USDA, I drive my NHTSA car back home on the DOT roads, to my house which has not burned down in my absence because of the state and local building codes and fire marshal's inspection, and which has not been plundered of all it's valuables thanks to the local police department.
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Mr_Blonde_Vic_Vega — 16 years ago(August 16, 2009 04:08 PM)
Nice plagiarism Slt10T-1, but do you actually have any of YOUR OWN thoughts about government run agencies??
Seems like of the examples that you COPY?PASTEd only two of them are actually customer based like health care would be.- Energy. - As we all know energy prices have been sky rocketing, I don't want that for my health care.
- Public Water. - How many times a year do we hear about public water being contaminated?
Now Slt10T-1 would you mind giving me some examples ( preferably your own thoughts this time ) of government agencies which run near as effectively or efficiently as their private company counterparts?
The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
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Slt10T-1 — 16 years ago(August 16, 2009 09:08 PM)
I freely admit that I copied that from an e-mail, but the fact remains that government may cost us in taxes, but, by and large, it delivers. And my water has never been contaminated, nor can I recall any time when that has happened. Now of course we all know that the DMV is pretty wasteful (we all have horror stories about that place), and yes, the redundancy of a lot of government forms (like taxes) can be pretty astounding. However, the fact remains that the U.S. is lagging behind other developed nations in terms of health care, because whenever people like you see the government getting involved, you start foaming at the mouths, citing anecdotal evidence, and basically doing anything and everything to impede progress.
And I hope that when you say energy costs are skyrocketing, you aren't referring to oil, because if you are, that would reveal how astonishingly little you understand the most basic principles of economic, which is to say, supply and demand.
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Mr_Blonde_Vic_Vega — 16 years ago(August 17, 2009 08:31 AM)
"And I hope that when you say energy costs are skyrocketing, you aren't referring to oil, because if you are, that would reveal how astonishingly little you understand the most basic principles of economic, which is to say, supply and demand."
If you believe that the government has no control over oil prices then I believe that YOU are the one who doesn't understand.
Also you did not answer my question - What government run agency runs near as efficiently or effectively as it's private company counterpart? If you can not name at least several then your whole argument is void and you should re-evaluate your whole stance on the issue.
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saint_cyr_g — 14 years ago(November 13, 2011 12:05 PM)
Excellent post Slt10-1!
I love how all these conservatives/tea baggers rant and rave about big government, yet are all their with their hands out to receive the services that benefit them. It is all well and good to use socialized medicine as a dirty word until you or someone you love is refused medical care. Its fine when you have a job and are covered. What happens when your employer decides to move your job to China in order to improve their already healthy profits. Are you then to be called a "freeloader" after working your whole life, and are now in need? It really is amazing how quickly these people will change their minds when it is their child that is dying because money and big business come before the lives of fellow citizens.
It boggles my mind how these people continue to blindly cling to ideals and politicians who's loyality is bought and paid for by greedy corporations. The very same corporations who continue to rape them and their children's futures. How one can be so willing to give their vote and loyalty to people and policies which goes against their own interests is astounding. -
met76 — 12 years ago(November 27, 2013 01:04 PM)
OP is right. Free health care exists only in socialist and communist countries. In U.S.A. heart transplantation cost about 70.000 $ and this m.f. John Q wants a free ride.
I would want to hear what this guy had to say to a sick kid who was gonna die because the parents couldn't afford the surgery.
"I'm really sorry my boy but your parents are too poor so you'll have to die. Hey, it's your fault you weren't born into a richer family." -
met76 — 12 years ago(November 27, 2013 01:10 PM)
OP is right. Free health care exists only in socialist and communist countries. In U.S.A. heart transplantation cost about 70.000 $ and this m.f. John Q wants a free ride.
I would want to hear what this guy had to say to a sick kid who was gonna die because the parents couldn't afford the surgery in America.
"I'm really sorry my boy but your parents are too poor for the transplantation so you'll have to die. Bad luck you weren't born into a richer family."
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Mic21 — 15 years ago(September 28, 2010 01:13 AM)
Socialized medicine is a must; it's just not fair to let people die and deny an operation just because they are poor
In germany, there is a law that you HAVE to have an health insurance, you pay ~15% of your wage for health insurance (wage level doesn't matter as long as its over 400/ ~540$), family members can be insured (kids until ~21) for free, the unemployed get free health care, self-employed have to pay upwards of 190$ per month for health insurance
So the rich people pay for poor, but it's not THAT much
Organ transplants have a very very long waiting time in Germany, because there are not enough donors, but when the transplant is urgent and a donor is finally found, the insurance company pays for it (save for very low fees for hospitals stay and meds)
I think in Germany, they most likely they would have discovered the heart condition before, because kid's medical checkups are more thorough and depend very little on parent's income. Otherwise he would have to wait upwards of 300 days for a transplant
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Impressive_Bicycle_Girl — 15 years ago(October 01, 2010 10:25 PM)
"Socialized medicine is a must; it's just not fair to let people die and deny an operation just because they are poor"
So by that logic, its not fair to let people educate their children at second rate public schools, live in second rate neighborhoods, not get a college degree, work for minimum wage and steal to eat.just because they are poor.
What planet are you from?!?! If you don't have money in this world, you're entitled to nothing.
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Mic21 — 15 years ago(October 03, 2010 03:28 AM)
What an ignorant response apparently for you denying someone medical treatment is the same as going to a public school or living in a second rate neighborhood?!
Life threating situation versus life quality ?
"let people educate their children at second rate public schools, live in second rate neighborhoods, not get a college degree, work for minimum wage and steal to eat.just because they are poor. "
In a social market economy (all northern and most western european countries), those problems exist much less:- Nobody - who is living legally in the country ! - has to steal or beg to eat because of welfare money (and local food banks)
- If you are working minimum wage you can get extra money from the government to make ends meet
- Free Public schools can be nearly as good as private schools (higher education budget from government I guess)
- College/university is free in some states or you can get an interest free loan
-Second rate neighborhoods are bad but still the crime rate (esp. murders) is not nearly as high as in the States (and I believe the high crime rate is mainly caused by weapon laws and very bad living conditions of the lower class, extreme poverty leads to crime and violence)
Considering the bad living conditions of the lower class ,it is really hard to believe the USA is one of the richest countries (#7) in the world
Germany is only #18 but the situation of poor people is much better (still bad considering the average standard of living here)
"What planet are you from?!?! If you don't have money in this world, you're entitled to nothing. "
So "Survival of the fittest" only?! This is unacceptable in a modern, rich country ! Do you not have any social awareness at all?
Many people who are poor can't help it, they grew up in families where they didn't have a chance. Not everybody has the chance to get a good job that acutally pays enough to make ends meet, so it is our duty as citizens to help them ! (even if indirectly by taxes)
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Impressive_Bicycle_Girl — 15 years ago(October 03, 2010 06:43 AM)
Apparently, since you live in Germany, you have no idea how things in the States work. It must be nice to have someone else (socialized medicine) foot the bill for your medical needs. We don't have handouts like that in the States. Everyone must work to get what they need.
And in essence, denying someone medical treatment falls into the EXACT same category of living in sub par neighborhoods and attending sub par schools. Are you that socially ignorant that you've never heard of school shootings or drive-by shootings?
Since I have lived in Europe, I'm well aware of the freebies of living in a socialized democracybut thanks for trying to pretend you're telling me something I don't already know
Thanks for informing me about the state of immigrants not needing to beg, because I see people of all races and backgrounds panhandling for money on the streets of Athens EVERY FRICKEN' DAY OF THE WEEK. Its got nothing to do with their residency statusit was to do with them not being able to work due to language barriers and not being able to secure that "extra money" from the government. Does Germany just go around giving money to the needy and poor? That's not the way it works here. Even if you qualify for assitance, the red tape is a long, drawn out process, many people just don't go through the trouble of applying only to be denied because of some beaucratic loophole.
Please don't tell me how great the educational system is because its free. You know the saying"you get what you pay for"? Well when education becomes "free", quality of that education goes right out the window.
But heyat least its free, right? Who cares if you learn that 2+2=5.
So to answer your question,I'm more socially aware than you'd like to think.
Absolutely. "Survival of the fittest" (or in this case, the richest) mentality is a totally unacceptable attitude for ANY country, not just a rich, modern one.
And if YOU think the U.S. is a rich country, you need to brush up on your current events. But that's the way the world works. No one is about to lend a helping hand to the less fortunate just because its the moral thing to do.
We don't live in a Charles Dickens' novel. This is the real worldthis is how it is. Welcome to reality
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jejozi — 14 years ago(July 17, 2011 12:45 PM)
"No one is about to lend a helping hand to the less fortunate just because its the moral thing to do."
Really? Isn't helping the less fortunate one of the basic tenets of the christian church? According to the religious right, anti-gay marriage crowd we're a judeo-christian nation. So, since you're obviously not a religious person, you and your kind are just selfish baysterds? Because everyone knows you got to where you are with no help from anyone, right?
The mantra for the right; "I got mine, screw everybody else.", "More, Me, Now."
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Impressive_Bicycle_Girl — 14 years ago(July 18, 2011 01:35 AM)
First of all, please stop following me around the IMDB boards. You're behaving like a stalker. Don't you have better things to do with your time?
Secondly, I never said I wasn't a Christian OR a religious person. YOU CAME ALONG and made THAT ASSumption and have made a fool of yourself on a public forum.
Who are "me and my kind" exactly? It sounds like you've got a bit of a political worm squirming up your ass and went and got your granny panties all in a bunch over nothing. I'm not about mudslinging between political parties. They're ALL the same. Out to keep livin' large at the little man's expense. That goes for the right, left, teabaggers, and whatever else you want to call them. ALL ARE CROOKS! I DO NOT align myself with political puppets or their pathetic propoganda. I won't go making any assumptions about YOU, your political or religious beliefs based on your posts so as to spare myself the embarrassment you didn't have enough sense to avoid.
Sounds as if you've led a hard life and have chosen to take it out on someone who tells it like it is. Write your congressman instead. Stalking me on the IMDB boards isn't going to change anything.little lost sheep.
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jejozi — 14 years ago(July 19, 2011 06:39 PM)
Oh, but I so wanted to live on the madonna board, too. Potkettle.black
Yes, you and your kind. People do the right thing everyday because it's the moral thing to do. Because ya'll don't live that way doesn't mean others don't.
And I'm not stalking you, just was curious if you were that big of an a$$ or were just having a bad day. 'twas the former. Fascinating.
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Impressive_Bicycle_Girl — 14 years ago(July 20, 2011 01:03 AM)
WTF are you talking about "pot kettle black"?!
That's what you say when someone is being a hypocrite, you uneducated moron. I never said that I AGREE with the way the world works. Only making a point that no insurance company/hospital/legislation is ever going to make health care universal or free, regardless of the fact that its the moral thing to do. Apparently, when one's head is shoved so very far up their ass as is yours, its difficult to read between the lines to be able to come to such conclusions which are abundantly and glaring obvious to others.
For someone who's not a "stalker", you sure do come across as mentally disturbed and desperate for attention with your holier-than-thou attitude. I'm sure "you and your kind" will be sainted when you die for your good deeds
Tell you what, you HYPOCRITICAL, DELUSIONAL religious PSYCHO who stalks message boards passing judgement on others while feigning moral and ethical superiority, go back to the looney bin you escaped from, take your meds, and put those restraints back on. Everything will be OK then.
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jejozi — 14 years ago(July 20, 2011 05:33 PM)
LOL!! You tell me to read between the lines but you can't pick up on something so obvious as you chiding me to get a life while you spend hours a day on these boards. Pot.kettle.black. You sure do think highly of yourself for someone with no originality.impressivelol.not. Nothing but an acid tongued harpy.
I'm religious???? LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!! That's a good one. Remember, you shouldn't assume, little one. But then potkettleblack seems to be a way of life with you. Yer a funny little girl. And not ha ha funny.
And there's no feigning, I am better than you, although that's not really saying all that much.
Ta, beyatch.
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Impressive_Bicycle_Girl — 14 years ago(July 21, 2011 04:01 AM)
Aren't you just the poster child for Christianity
"And a lot of the anti-social medicine crowd (the right) also are from the pro-christian crowd. Which shows how hypocritical that bunch is. You can't claim to be a follower of Jesus Christ and then deny the basics of life from the less fortunate. Mark 10:25. Matthew 25:40"
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Isn't helping the less fortunate one of the basic tenets of the christian church?
You referenced the Bible, quoting specific passages and made statements such as the above yet laugh at the thought of being labeled "religious"? You're more of a low life than I initially thought. You have the gall to use the Lord's teachings, but mock the notion of religion, playing it all high and mighty? Hypocrisy in all its glory. You should be ashamed. You're right. You're no Christian. You aren't WORTHY of such an honor. Trash like you go straight to hell for blasphemy.
Yet somehow, you have the delusional impression that you're "better than me"?
I'll agree with you there. You're much
BETTER AT STALKING
, talking smack and making dim-witted remarks than me. I'll hand it to you. After all, what kind of inbred defends their position with a pdf that's nearly a decade old, hoping no one will notice, passing it off as something relevant in 2011? What's that sound? Its your "credibility" taking a nosedive straight into the s h i tter.
Bottomfeeders like you, void of any sense of ethics and morals have no business writing BS like,
"People do the right thing everyday because it's the moral thing to do. Because ya'll don't live that way doesn't mean others don't."
What would you know about "doing the right thing"? What have you done lately that fits the definition of "doing the right thing" in your saintly perspective? Have you volunteered anywhere? A homeless shelter? A nursing home? Worked in a soup kitchen line? Offered shelter or clothing to a homeless person? Taken in a stray cat? Given spare change to a panhandler? Embodied any of the Beatitudes? Because I HAVE, you self-absorbed, pompous baboon. What's that you say, Simple Jack? No to all of the above? Then you shouldn't be throwing those stones, living in that glass house, Simple Jack. You are the lowest common denominator of our society. It gets tiresome hearing sissies like you with loud lips, spewing endless amounts of bulls h it, fooling themselves into thinking they're more important than they really are. The same folks who think only THEY have the right answers to everything. The very ones who
b i tch about the wrongs in the world are the same nitwits who, when pressed for a solution, can't give even one. Those same clueless 'tards don't have the brains nor the resources to offer towards the betterment of the situation. All they know how to do is judge, complain, gripe and whine like a bunch of
little girls
. Pseudo-intellectuals, JUST like YOU, pretending they have a clue. The same ignorant inferiors who make the argument for socialized medicine but don't want to foot the bill for it
Just take a look across the pond. Socialism is plunging all of Europe into the gutter. Capitalism, meanwhile, is working its magic on the good ol' U.S. economy over here. Yet, no matter what kind of democracy we're talking about, all over the world, in every country, the rich keep getting richer and the poorer keep getting poorer, but who here at home is going to step up to the plate and change that? The gettin's good for those few on top. Who's going to introduce legislation that will cost the insurance and pharmaceutical companies BILLIONS? How much money exchanges hands between lobbyists and their interests with our legislators? Do you know of any corporation in the health industry that's going to give up its livelihood because health care is a basic human need and gee, well, its the moral thing to do? That's the way it SHOULD BE, BUT ITS NOT and there's no one who's got the backbone to do anything about it since everyone is in someone else's back pocket. But back on up. We're not here to analyze universal health care or even the economy. You're not interested in REAL debate and real conversation about serious issues. Cognitive derelicts always are content with b itching about the status quo, but never quite have the balls to do anything about it. The spectrum of their world is limited to trolling message boards while living in Mommy and Daddy's basement.
Your copy/paste comments just REEK of originality, the same tired, mindless, slang and jibber jabber only porch monkeys understand. Stupidity at its finest. Your vocabulary encompasses the all so impressive word, "Beyatch"the I.Q. level of your posts just drops ten points with every word you write. Perhaps you weren't breastfed as a baby. Maybe your mother never hugged you and your father beat you. You might be a victim of bad upbringing and disadvantaged surroundings. Whatever the case may be, I feel sorry that you've turned out to be such a sad, pathetic, bitter, vindictive worm. The very lowest, bottom-of-the -
CCRider01 — 11 years ago(March 15, 2015 03:22 AM)
You're more of a low life than I initially thought. You have the gall to use the Lord's teachings, but mock the notion of religion, playing it all high and mighty?
Ah another "Christian" full of the milk of human kindness. What was it again that Ghandi said about Christians?
"Schools, police, firemen, etc. All socialized. Why shouldn't health care be?"
Well I think that you just answered your own question. Look at how inefficiently your examples are ran, do we really want our health care to be held to the same low standards? I know I don't.
I cannot offer opinion on those US institutions, but in Canada, public schools, police, fireman, are by and large quite efficient, at the very least far beyond the "low standards" mark. The question should be, why do some Americans, have such low opinion of their government institutions?
Is it merely rhetoric spreading anti government nonsense? Fear of the dreaded socialist / communist takeover of society that has been espoused by the American right for the past 60-70 years? Or is it really something more simple, namely the belief that Americans (and their institutions) are so motivated by $$$$, that if maximizing ROI is removed from the equation, things will quickly descend into one giant turd bowl of bureaucratic inefficiency?