they INVADE china?!?!?!?
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magusj — 21 years ago(May 18, 2004 03:55 PM)
WTF?
I was actually enjoying this movie, and its rather realistic view of what it must be like to be a spy, both in the field and at a desk (ok, maybe a bit of a stretch on the desk, but hey).
Then the solution to the movie, the freagin' deus ex machina is an invasion of CHINA? the marines invade china and storm out an american prisoner? Am i the ONLY one that finds this totally ludicrous? Honestly, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills ove here!!! -
Mandy_Whitsands — 16 years ago(March 14, 2010 07:15 PM)
Let me clear it up for you. There was no invasion of China. That was a covert CIA operation to jailbreak an agent from a nearby Marines base. They had cut the power so their choppers wouldn't be detected and bribed the people involved.
So according to you China has no air surveillance or one that can be shut down nation-wide by "cutting the power" in a local power station. I volunteer you for this mission. Good luck. -
roccyraccoon — 21 years ago(January 09, 2005 02:33 PM)
Let me clear it up for you. There was no invasion of China. That was a covert CIA operation to jailbreak an agent from a nearby Marines base. They had cut the power so their choppers wouldnt be detected and bribed the people involved.
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Ace_In_The_Hole — 20 years ago(July 27, 2005 05:17 PM)
Those weren't Marines. Those were Navy SEALs.
The mission was a snatch & grab where they flew into China under the cover of darkness and disabled radar to steal Tom Bishop from the Chinese.
It wasn't an act of war, it was a covert operation.
Covert operations go on all the time, its just that we don't hear about them cause we aren't supposed to here about them.
Remember those 6 CIA agents who nabbed a Muslim Cleric in Milan, Italy? That was a covert operation except that the Italians found out about it almost a year after. -
trpdean — 20 years ago(October 26, 2005 08:42 AM)
I don't know if this was realistic. Isn't there more to the Chinese defense against attack from the air - than just the local utility turning off the power? I would assume there's some equivalent of the Strategic Air Command in China - are they in China or the U.S. wholly dependent on local electricity?
When there is a blackout in New York, does this mean during that period we can't detect Russian bombers flying into the U.S. to bomb New York? It sounds implausible, doesn't it?
Otherwise, can we assume that if the Chinese bribe an executive of Pacific Gas and Electric, their military can land a force to take some Chinese spy out of an American prison? Isn't there more to it than that? -
StephanieRock — 15 years ago(November 19, 2010 12:52 PM)
It wasn't an "attack from the air"
It would be like if two helicopters decided to fly over a prison in the U.S. Do you think there's a US military team reading and waiting to counter an escape-plot at every prison in the United States?
China. Its kind of a big place. -
Nizzemancer-1 — 10 years ago(May 02, 2015 03:26 PM)
As long as you fly low (or high if you're close to the radar station) enough you don't need to black out anything to get past a countrys air defenses, the reason they had to cut the power was because of the prisons external and internal security and to give the commando teams an advantage (night vision goggles is most likely not part of a prison guards standard equipment).
Light travels faster than sound,
that's why people seem bright,
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kms081 — 17 years ago(April 07, 2008 10:21 PM)
exactly.. covert ops happen ALL THE TIME. war is more of a public relations thing to keep the public informed because its simply to large to hide. black ops are smash and grab quickies that dont need broadcasting.
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magusj — 17 years ago(April 22, 2008 05:29 PM)
last I checked a US military special ops team engaging in sabotage, breaking and entery, usage of military weapons on Chinese sovereign territory against Chinese personnel CONSTITUTES A @*#$ INVASION.
Can you even IMAGINE the repercussions of something like this in the real world? this just totally blew my suspension of disbelief away, and ruined the movie for me. -
magusj — 17 years ago(April 22, 2008 06:23 PM)
not in CHINA it doesnt dude! that's a declaration of war! Remember the huckuss cuz the americans had a plane that was arguably over the international air border for China and collided with a Chinese plane? can you even IMAGINE a full fledged military operation on Chinese soil?
I dont know just seemed silly and non-believable to me. -
juanpide — 17 years ago(July 18, 2008 04:11 PM)
'extracted' ??
Don't make me laugh.
It wasn't a breakout but a militar attack with two helicopters and a lot of armed soldiers.
And, they shot against the jailers, Chinese people.
If USA helicopters had really entered into China's airpsace and soldiers had shot Chinese people, China would have sent their aircraft, launched missiles against the helicopters and even declared the war against the United States.
They are not stupid, even if they wouldn't caught any American they know who is rescuing the prisoners.
OK, the film is supposed to take place in the eighties, when Chinese air force wasn't a as powerful as now, but it's unbelievable that USA risked causing a war.
China is not a banana republic but a huge and powerful country.