they INVADE china?!?!?!?
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John_Dee_007 — 17 years ago(July 16, 2008 02:02 AM)
You know those people who feel righteously compelled to assume they can kill a thread with those annoying words, "
It's just a movie
"? Well right now I have nothing but contempt for myself as I'm about to utter those very same words. It's just a movie. Ugh, I can't believe I just said that, but in this case, I really do think those words apply here.
I mean really, c'mon guys. The rescue/extraction was always the inevitable and necessary conclusion to the plight of Bishop and the plot tool for Muir's interrogation. The movie hinged on this outcome and, in my view, it worked. At no point in the film was I under any delusions that this was based on actual events. I had no more trouble suspending my belief with this film than I did accepting that an ex-Navy Seal-turned-cook could single-handedly save the world from the capture of the USS Missouri by a bunch of rock n roll terrorists.
"People should know when they're conquered"- Quintus
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siukong — 16 years ago(June 19, 2009 12:26 PM)
Exactly. I knew THE SECOND Muir mentioned to Bishop "put aside some money for when you retire, and never touch it, for anything" that he would use his own secret stash to rescue him.
What would be the alternative? Bishop gets executed and Muir retires in comfort in the Bahamas after acting strange for no reason his last day on the job. Yeah, that would make a GREAT ending. -
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istupido — 17 years ago(August 01, 2008 02:44 AM)
i dont think it's an invasion on the chinese for me it's a covert rescue mission a rescue mission that should not happen in the first place since it was conducted by a cia personnel (redford) who fakes the signature of the person who is authorized to sign it of course the one who should sign to approve the mission is not going to sign it because he doesnt approve it and so nathan (redford) really wanted to rescue bishop decided to forge the signature of his boss and upon confirmation the commander of the air carrier order his men to execute the rescue mission of bishop
see if the director of the cia was asked permission to sign the order of rescuing bishop i doubt he would sign it since bishop is just a cia agent, he is not the president or even a senator of the united states or a person that can harm the security of the united states if captured by another government and the fact that he went to china not on official cia business
now regarding the cut off electricity, well i think the movie's setting was after the vietnam war or during later 70's or early 80's, from my opinion i think china thou they are big but their military's equipment i assume is not fully modernized so i think it's possible that cutting the electricity can help the covert rescue mission
the bribery i think this is were a bit flaw could be seen im not saying chinese is corrupt but it's possible that a chinese (same with any nationality) can accept a bribe considering that life or money is hard in china during those day's and the fact that they are putting their lives on the line since if they were caught they definitely will be dead the flaw i think is that the americans rescue only bishop and his galpal, so it's no doubt that the chinese would not suspect that the americans is the culprit and besides the amount of money that is bribe even with exchange rate those day's it still too small
i always see the word invasion for me what the americans did, thou with violence is not an invasion, it simply is a covert rescue mission, rescuing one of them if there is an invasion then the US military should not just go to the prison and get their man, they should also bombed the chinese military bases and drop bombs on strategic chinese facility but no, they did not the americans simply arrive in the prison, get their target which is bishop and then leave they did not bomb the facility they just killed chinese soldiers that are a threat to them in completing their mission -
doug-simmons — 17 years ago(September 18, 2008 04:59 AM)
The problem is more the complications of foreign diplomacy. The Chinese had an American spy, which they were using as a bargaining chip. The Americans were in turn choosing to deny any knowledge/disavow bishop so the Chinese were stumped with what to do with bishop. However once the spy and prisoner had been rescued the Chinese now had evidence of foreign encroachment on there soil. This would be why the USA did not go in the first place. I dont imagine the Chinese government would risk a retaliatory strike against the USA (particularly in the time period) however they would probably use the raid to push for a more favourable trade agreement etc which they would not have got from just having bishop. This would be of incredible annoyance to all those in the American government and the attention would turn to Langley. In turn all those involved in organising the raid (robert redford etc) would be severely disciplined the Hong Kong guy would be shuffled down the pile or relieved of command. There would no doubt be some incredibly long winded and stupid review of command issuing protocol resulting in extra bureaucracy and a behind doors hearing at Washington.
All of which would not make as cool an ending as Robert Redford cruising off in his car looking incredibly smug -
Mandy_Whitsands — 16 years ago(March 14, 2010 07:25 PM)
if that really happened they would be declaring nuclear war 12 hrs later
sure, because nuclear war would realistically be declared. Preferably days in advance to allow for hostile nuclear first strikes. -
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Ironman54 — 16 years ago(January 27, 2010 05:33 PM)
And don't forget that the next to final line in the movie was "Theres been an incident in China" and then we see Redford scooting off in his Porsche. We have to imagine what took place/would take place next. Maybe WW III did break out over it - don't know 'cause the movie ends there. I would have enjoyed it just as much had the prison been in some back water area of a lesser country. Hell, its the guards that make the break dangerous, not so much the country.I'm sure this all was contemplated before production.I think they were going for the biggest, most irreverent ending. Redford just started an international incident and left the old gang hanging as he heads off in the sunset - off to the Caymans ?
It reminded me of Slim going down with the bomb in "Strangelove". But hey,what the hell do I know ? LOL !! -
ednalyn99 — 16 years ago(February 07, 2010 09:50 PM)
I agree with the poster who said that the incident would give the Chinese more leverage in their trade talks. I don't think they'd use it to advance a cause for war against the USA. It would be more advantageous for them to use it as a bargaining chip for economic negotiations.
As for Muiryeah, I like to think the CIA peeps finally figured out who was behind the whole thing. But in my fantasy world, Muir slips away and escapes their wrath. He goes on to have a peaceful retirement in some island. hehehe -
toky-world — 16 years ago(February 14, 2010 07:33 PM)
CIA covert op.
China would have a hard time making US take responsability of the attack. But eventually they would, since the result of the op was escape of Bishop.
China would withdraw (inmediatly) from the trade talks (US government would be pissed for this and would be on the look out for Muir's blood). Im sure that in that world the op would cost them in the trade talks(in the future).
BTW the movie is suppoused to be set in 199x since we see the electric guy watching Baywatch.
In no way would China retaliate with war or an attack on any US (direct) interest. Even now China isnt interested in a direct conflict. In short China would not attack the US for a single op of extracting a cia agent.
For chrissakes US did bomb (a freaking tomahawk)a China embassy in the mid 90 during the Balkans "surgical" attack. China did not retaliate then.