I really HATE Shane!!!
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Balthazar Bee — 10 years ago(August 08, 2015 11:22 AM)
Shane certainly didn't. That's my point I'd say he
did
feel the full weight of his actions. We've all done things we've instantly regretted, and it's obvious that Shane recognizes how far he's fallen immediately. He'd rather it was him.
The fallout from this, where he becomes self-destructive, begs his wife for forgiveness, gets it, tries to move on, then runs face-first into Vic's ludicrous righteous indignation (the scale of which I don't think he anticipated)that is some of the most interesting character work on any show in history. But I don't think the people playing a game of "Team Shane vs. Team Vic" quite understand that.
Lem's tragedy is Shane's tragedy is Vic's tragedy is the tragedy of the whole Shield universe. I empathize with all of them, because I feel like I've been all of them at some time or other. But the Shane-me can look himself in the mirror and own up to his deficiencies of character; the Vic-me walks around oblivious, doing all sorts of terrible stuff and rationalizing up a storm.
They've both earned a nice, cozy spot in hell. The difference is Shane will feel right at home, knowing he's earned it; Vic will spend the entire time with that incredulous "how did
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Naphthous — 9 years ago(December 02, 2016 02:09 PM)
I was going to voice my disagreement with some other stuff you wrote, but instead I want to call out how great this comment is:
They've both earned a nice, cozy spot in hell. The difference is Shane will feel right at home, knowing he's earned it; Vic will spend the entire time with that incredulous "how did I get here?" look on his face.
Brilliant.
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livefreeordie-154-825860 — 10 years ago(June 01, 2015 03:44 PM)
I agree with the last words of Shane in his suicidal note. If he never met Vic he wouldn't do any of these things. He always was a greedy person in the inside but he was too stupid to act like that by his own. He needed a leader to trigger his viciousness and Vic was the right one.
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vorion5 — 10 years ago(August 07, 2015 08:13 AM)
Only difference is that Shane was too greedy and not nearly as smart as he thought he was for most of the series.
This. Shane wanted to be a main player equal to Vic and he was outsmarted time and time again by the criminals he tried to work with. Vic could see how situations would play out from about 10 different perspectives and Shane, maybe 3. He was far too emotional to play at the level Vic did and had little patience to let things develop before getting cocky and threatening. -
livefreeordie-154-825860 — 10 years ago(May 11, 2015 11:30 AM)
Ronnie was the quiet one but I think he was sneaky. He didn't care for justice. and he also cared about himself a lot. He was'nt as bad as the other too of course but I believe only Lem was the good guy of the strike team and because of that and his kindness he end up dead.
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huggybizzzle — 10 years ago(July 17, 2015 12:03 PM)
Then you're overlooking the facts and don't want to admit that Ronnie became just as corrupt as the others. Just because he stayed in the shadows throughout the series doesn't make him less guilty than his colleagues. The only question Ronnie was concerned about was "When does it all end?" He was perfectly willing to do
anything
it took as long as he and Vic had a solid end game in sight.
I highly doubt Lem would've went along with Vic's plan to have Shane killed if, let's say, Shane had dropped a grenade in Ronnie's lap.