I really HATE Shane!!!
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livefreeordie-154-825860 — 10 years ago(June 01, 2015 03:44 PM)
I agree with the last words of Shane in his suicidal note. If he never met Vic he wouldn't do any of these things. He always was a greedy person in the inside but he was too stupid to act like that by his own. He needed a leader to trigger his viciousness and Vic was the right one.
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vorion5 — 10 years ago(August 07, 2015 08:13 AM)
Only difference is that Shane was too greedy and not nearly as smart as he thought he was for most of the series.
This. Shane wanted to be a main player equal to Vic and he was outsmarted time and time again by the criminals he tried to work with. Vic could see how situations would play out from about 10 different perspectives and Shane, maybe 3. He was far too emotional to play at the level Vic did and had little patience to let things develop before getting cocky and threatening. -
livefreeordie-154-825860 — 10 years ago(May 11, 2015 11:30 AM)
Ronnie was the quiet one but I think he was sneaky. He didn't care for justice. and he also cared about himself a lot. He was'nt as bad as the other too of course but I believe only Lem was the good guy of the strike team and because of that and his kindness he end up dead.
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huggybizzzle — 10 years ago(July 17, 2015 12:03 PM)
Then you're overlooking the facts and don't want to admit that Ronnie became just as corrupt as the others. Just because he stayed in the shadows throughout the series doesn't make him less guilty than his colleagues. The only question Ronnie was concerned about was "When does it all end?" He was perfectly willing to do
anything
it took as long as he and Vic had a solid end game in sight.
I highly doubt Lem would've went along with Vic's plan to have Shane killed if, let's say, Shane had dropped a grenade in Ronnie's lap. -
smoko — 10 years ago(July 17, 2015 03:19 PM)
@ShadyMcGrady
Then you're overlooking the facts and don't want to admit that Ronnie became just as corrupt as the others.
I didn't say that Ronnie wasn't corrupt. Obviously he was - that's why he got arrested by Dutch.
What I'm saying is that Ronnie, for example, wouldn't have dropped a grenade in Lem's lap. Neither would Vic.
I highly doubt Lem would've went along with Vic's plan to have Shane killed if, let's say, Shane had dropped a grenade in Ronnie's lap.
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execproducer22 — 10 years ago(July 19, 2015 08:29 AM)
I dont hate shane per se.If theres really anyone to hate in this show I would enevitability choose Mara, the Yoko Ono of the T.V. world.
As to the argument about Vic being worse than shane or Vic being the reason shane turned out as he did I really gotta disagree.
For that I will point to season four and beyond where Shane was finally out on his own, not taking orders from Vic and yet he started to do even WORSE things then before.
I think Shane would have become this monster with or without Vic. As others have noted Shane is Greedy, un-empathetic, impulsive and not too bright.
Every single issue Shane has been ever had can be traced back to one person..Shane Vendrell
To try to put that blame on Vic is just short sighted.
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huggybizzzle — 10 years ago(July 22, 2015 04:42 PM)
The problem with that speculation is that none of the members of the Strike Team were dirty until they met Vic. I forget which season it was, but there's an episode that's basically an hour-long flashback that shows what everyone was like during their first day on the job. Vic was the only one who started off with a reputation of being dirty and, as a direct result, he used his influence to corrupt other members of the team by telling them, "We'll do this one little thing, this one time, and then we'll go back to doing things the right way." Fast-forward 14 months later, Vic doesn't even make good on his promise and gets his team into even deeper sh-t.
That was the beginning of the end right there. In fact, I'm pretty sure there's an episode (in the final season, I think) where Vic admits that he created a monster and maybe it can be turned around. That just proves that Vic played a pivotal role in Shane's downfall.
It's like Shane said, "I was just following your game plan, coach!"