I really HATE Shane!!!
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livefreeordie-154-825860 — 10 years ago(May 11, 2015 11:30 AM)
Ronnie was the quiet one but I think he was sneaky. He didn't care for justice. and he also cared about himself a lot. He was'nt as bad as the other too of course but I believe only Lem was the good guy of the strike team and because of that and his kindness he end up dead.
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huggybizzzle — 10 years ago(July 17, 2015 12:03 PM)
Then you're overlooking the facts and don't want to admit that Ronnie became just as corrupt as the others. Just because he stayed in the shadows throughout the series doesn't make him less guilty than his colleagues. The only question Ronnie was concerned about was "When does it all end?" He was perfectly willing to do
anything
it took as long as he and Vic had a solid end game in sight.
I highly doubt Lem would've went along with Vic's plan to have Shane killed if, let's say, Shane had dropped a grenade in Ronnie's lap. -
smoko — 10 years ago(July 17, 2015 03:19 PM)
@ShadyMcGrady
Then you're overlooking the facts and don't want to admit that Ronnie became just as corrupt as the others.
I didn't say that Ronnie wasn't corrupt. Obviously he was - that's why he got arrested by Dutch.
What I'm saying is that Ronnie, for example, wouldn't have dropped a grenade in Lem's lap. Neither would Vic.
I highly doubt Lem would've went along with Vic's plan to have Shane killed if, let's say, Shane had dropped a grenade in Ronnie's lap.
I'd provide a rebuttal to this, but I'm too stupid to understand it. Sorry. -
execproducer22 — 10 years ago(July 19, 2015 08:29 AM)
I dont hate shane per se.If theres really anyone to hate in this show I would enevitability choose Mara, the Yoko Ono of the T.V. world.
As to the argument about Vic being worse than shane or Vic being the reason shane turned out as he did I really gotta disagree.
For that I will point to season four and beyond where Shane was finally out on his own, not taking orders from Vic and yet he started to do even WORSE things then before.
I think Shane would have become this monster with or without Vic. As others have noted Shane is Greedy, un-empathetic, impulsive and not too bright.
Every single issue Shane has been ever had can be traced back to one person..Shane Vendrell
To try to put that blame on Vic is just short sighted.
"What color is the boathouse at Hereford!?"
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huggybizzzle — 10 years ago(July 22, 2015 04:42 PM)
The problem with that speculation is that none of the members of the Strike Team were dirty until they met Vic. I forget which season it was, but there's an episode that's basically an hour-long flashback that shows what everyone was like during their first day on the job. Vic was the only one who started off with a reputation of being dirty and, as a direct result, he used his influence to corrupt other members of the team by telling them, "We'll do this one little thing, this one time, and then we'll go back to doing things the right way." Fast-forward 14 months later, Vic doesn't even make good on his promise and gets his team into even deeper sh-t.
That was the beginning of the end right there. In fact, I'm pretty sure there's an episode (in the final season, I think) where Vic admits that he created a monster and maybe it can be turned around. That just proves that Vic played a pivotal role in Shane's downfall.
It's like Shane said, "I was just following your game plan, coach!" -
fatality713 — 10 years ago(July 30, 2015 02:38 PM)
Shane and Vic were partners well before the strike team. They even knew That guy that was their saviour in season one and then turned on them. So whether Shane was corrupted by Vic or not is inconclusive.
If I recall the thing that started all of their problems, the money train, was something that Vic wanted to bow out of when the site got changed. The other three wanted to go ahead with the plan even without Vic. -
execproducer22 — 10 years ago(August 08, 2015 08:59 AM)
The problem with that speculation is that none of the members of the Strike Team were dirty until they met Vic.
Not true
If you remember in the copilot epsiode Vic tries to get Shane vendrell on the strike team and the first thing the Asst. chief says is "theres another one with a troubled jacket"
Shane was already in trouble before Vic.
Vic doesn't even make good on his promise and gets his team into even deeper sh-t.
You mean such as the drugs that SHANE lost in the first season and almost got the team in Jail with
or maybe your referring to the time one of the longtime members of the strike team was murdered by SHANE.
No No No.. you must be referring to the time SHANE got in so deeply with a drug dealer that he got blackmailed and had to have Vic bail him out..
Yeah your right, Vic got them into most of the bad sh-t right?
"What color is the boathouse at Hereford!?"
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keyvenx — 10 years ago(September 09, 2015 02:11 AM)
Those blaming Vic for everything is what's wrong with this current generation of people.
It's always someone else's fault. I took drugs cos my parents didn't love me. I robbed that guy because my girlfriend broke up with me. I tried to kill myself because someone called me a moron.
There will always - ALWAYS - be someone to blame. That's society in a nutshell now.
