Why do Indians and others come here to Britain if they don't want…
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princessemmafan — 17 years ago(August 14, 2008 01:08 PM)
When has an Indian ever had trouble complying with a law because of religion?
They probably havent, Im not sure. But I was simply saying that aslong as they follow our laws than they have as much right to be here as we do. -
Norm_uk — 17 years ago(August 17, 2008 02:18 PM)
princessemmafan: "I dont see a problem with them not wanting their kids to marry white kids, its their religion. The only thing I do see a problem with is them not following our laws, so aslong as they agree to follow our laws (even if they go against their religion, after all if we go to their country we would be expected to follow their laws even if its against our religion) the there isnt a problem with them being over here."
Agreed.
The trouble today is that some immigrants don't think the British Common Law is good enough for them and want it replaced with some system from the Dark Ages
I personally believe immigrants should only be allowed to have long term or life residence visas no matter how long they are in the UKpassports should be reserved for people who completely adopt native British names, dress, customs, language and cultureeveryone else should be welcome guests.
of course if I say that everyone will call me racist because British people are not allowed to love and protect their culture. British people have to celebrate Eid and Diwali and learn about how wicked their ancestors were for having an Empire instead
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Norm_uk — 17 years ago(August 17, 2008 02:02 PM)
Neha_Dhupia:
What exactly is "native British culture"? The UK is just like the US, Canada, etc.they're all Americanized/Westernized countries that aren't that different from each other.
Native British culture is anything English, Scots or Welshthings like Shakespeare, Haggis, drinking tea with milk, Roast dinner, real ale, punctuality, excellent education, Charles Darwin, Isaac Newton, David Beckham, Gaelic languages, 1400 years of literature from Beowulf to Chaucer - to Keats to JRR Tolkein, The Rolling Stones, Led Zepplin, Iron Maiden, The Spice Girls, Portishead, James Bond, The Balti Curry, The Scientific Method, and thousands of artists, writers, poets, inventors, scientists, statesmen and leaders
Your comments about Americanisation (with American spelling no less!) are quite ignorant really and would be insulting but for your complete lack of understanding of what culture means.
"As for assimilation, are you sure that's a good idea? Indians are the most successful immigrants in the US and #2 in the UK (after Chinese) for a reason. We have low crime rates and high college graduate and employment rates because we retain culture and listen to our parents like just Chinese and Koreans do."
Yes assimilation is a fantastic idea - better than congregating in ghettos which breed racism and crime don't you think? Better than keeping divided and thinking your own culture is better despite coming to our country and succeeding because our culture provided you with the means to prosper in ways you could never have done so in your ancestral homelands.
Most Indians and Chinese send money to their country of origin so that's no so good for the UK and USA is it?
Anyway I am really on about completely inflexible cultures and religions (such as extreme Isalm) and the anti-white racism it breeds (and understanding a little Hindi/Urdu allows me to see how racist Indians are towards native Europeans sometimes!). I've worked in the middle east and india and found everything an uphill struggle - decisions take forever, people are rude, not punctual and generally incapable of independent thinking.
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CelinaJaitley — 17 years ago(August 17, 2008 03:03 PM)
Native British culture is anything English, Scots or Welshthings like Shakespeare, Haggis, drinking tea with milk, Roast dinner, real ale, punctuality, excellent education, Charles Darwin, Isaac Newton, David Beckham, Gaelic languages, 1400 years of literature from Beowulf to Chaucer - to Keats to JRR Tolkein, The Rolling Stones, Led Zepplin, Iron Maiden, The Spice Girls, Portishead, James Bond, The Balti Curry, The Scientific Method, and thousands of artists, writers, poets, inventors, scientists, statesmen and leaders
Your comments about Americanisation (with American spelling no less!) are quite ignorant really and would be insulting but for your complete lack of understanding of what culture means.
Then enlighten me. Okay, some books, pop groups and UK celebs? Sorry, but the UK is still not
that
different from the US, Canada, etc. Britons like you complain about losing your culture, but you don't seem to mind Americanization.
Yes assimilation is a fantastic idea - better than congregating in ghettos which breed racism and crime don't you think? Better than keeping divided and thinking your own culture is better despite coming to our country and succeeding because our culture provided you with the means to prosper in ways you could never have done so in your ancestral homelands.
And how this quote above apply to Indians again?
Most Indians and Chinese send money to their country of origin so that's no so good for the UK and USA is it?
So, what's wrong with sending some extra money? The US and UK still benefit from their presence. And it's not like Indians and Chinese send every single penny they don't use back to Asia.
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Norm_uk — 17 years ago(August 19, 2008 11:11 PM)
Neha_Dhupia:
"Then enlighten me. Okay, some books, pop groups and UK celebs? Sorry, but the UK is still not that different from the US, Canada, etc. Britons like you complain about losing your culture, but you don't seem to mind Americanization. [
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Enlighten you? Aside from lists of examples of British culture? Are you reading selectively?
Of course UK culture is not so different from US and Canadian culture (but different enough to be distinct for sure) - both those countries were British colonies and were settled by large amounts of British immigrants (or invaders!)these countries are our cousins and brothersthere culture is not alien to us, and the differences are mostly minor.
You seem to be part of the popular anti-American movement. And you seem to think American culture is such a bad thing (they have freedoms you cannot even imagine and more money than everyone else hehe). Personally I see them as our closest friends in the world - we have fought and died together to defend the free world from tyranny many times last century.
"And how this quote above apply to Indians again?"
Read my comments on Hindu Indians in the other posts and stop being so subjective. You sound like you are justifying Indian's presence in the UK - are you worried one day you might get asked to leave and go back to India? I doubt that will happen and it would be rather silly since the "problem" immigrant groups are mostly Muslims not HindusHindus are mostly law abiding people who have integrated very well.
"So, what's wrong with sending some extra money? The US and UK still benefit from their presence. And it's not like Indians and Chinese send every single penny they don't use back to Asia."
What are the benefits exactly? Are we richer and better off? Is there less crime? Don't get me wrong I am not part of the "deport everyone" crowdbut I am not afraid to ask questions that no one else will ask because they are too politically correct.
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CelinaJaitley — 17 years ago(August 21, 2008 01:12 PM)
Enlighten you? Aside from lists of examples of British culture? Are you reading selectively?
And I already asked
that's all
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You seem to be part of the popular anti-American movement. And you seem to think American culture is such a bad thing
How am I being anti-American? I'm the one who was saying that western culture essentially revolves around the US. When I say something like that on other parts of this site, I'm usually accused of being delusional and arrogant, but this time I'm anti-American? lol
Of course UK culture is not so different from US and Canadian culture (but different enough to be distinct for sure) - both those countries were British colonies and were settled by large amounts of British immigrants (or invaders!)these countries are our cousins and brothersthere culture is not alien to us, and
the differences are mostly minor.
That's what I've been trying to say from the beginning; Britain does not have some special "native culture" that some of the other posters are trying to make it out to have. It's culture is Western and it is Americanized. All countries are becoming Americanized, but the English speaking ones are obviously got there more quickly. Except I don't hear much of that "we're losing our native culture" thing from Americans and Canadians because of immigrants.
What are the benefits exactly? Are we richer and better off? Is there less crime? Don't get me wrong I am not part of the "deport everyone" crowdbut I am not afraid to ask questions that no one else will ask because they are too politically correct.
I can't speak for your country, but Asian Americans do contribute disproportionately to the American economy and are the ones who have the highest employment levels and lowest crime rates.
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ready-for-the-good-times — 17 years ago(August 31, 2008 02:00 AM)
I agree in some ways.
I DO think that if somebody doesn't wish to be included in Western Culture then they shouldn't come and live in the Western world. I also believe that in many Asian countries, Westerners are percieved as liberal, alcoholic, sleeping-around.. etc. and fair enough if they don't want to be part of that! But they shouldn't tar everyone with the same stick! Not EVERYONE here is like that, and this assumption leads to racism and ignorance.
FOR YOUR INFORMATION: The above poster says that "Britian doesn't have some special culture.. it's westernized and americanized". I disagree. I live in Scotland and I definitely have my own culture. I reject American ideals and Western "freedoms". I prefer tradition, and for this reason many of my friends are actually immigrants who also don't want to become your stereotypical englishman.. it's not because they don't want to mix with white kids, it's because they don't want to become americanized as you english so clearly wish to become. -
pracad — 17 years ago(August 31, 2008 04:31 AM)
What are you all talking about?
The problem with immigrants is not them wanting to retain their culture, it's when they come over and try to get US/UK/wherever to change to suit them.
No one is saying they can't speak their native language in their own home, listen to Indian music, cook Indian food, not be a Christian etc. Half of the people in Britain are eating currys and are not religious.
The problem with immigrants is when they are rude, like talking in their own language right in front of you, wanting to live here but not bothering to learn English, wanting rules changed because of their minority religion, constantly slagging off OUR culture, all the while, leeching off us and sending money out to their 40 family members that still live abroad.
WTF
It's true that they are mostly using the UK/USA. They want the benefits. Fine. People from 'rich' countries move about for benefits too. UK to the USA for example. But they generally follow their way of life, or keep their own but do it quietly. People shouldn't be allowed to come over, get all the benefits, but disrupt the country and try to turn said country into the one they just left. That makes no sense. You weigh it up, and do you want to be comfortable and immersed in Indian things in India. Or do you want to live in the Western way and have money..ora bigger house..or WTF it is you came over for ??? but give up your old way of life.
Choose.
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parihav — 17 years ago(September 20, 2008 07:04 PM)
There is a simple solution if you folks don't want immigrants, and all there associated "problems"
STOP overdosing on birth control and have some damn children. Westerners are always crying about how immigrants screw things up in their country. The fact is if most western countries didn't have immmigrants, then their economies would have collapsed years ago. Negative growth due to an aging and decreasing population. Immigration offsets that trend.
However people are too used to having a good life and dumped religion in the process. Having families these days is a burden and people barely manage to have 1 or 2 children.
Immigrants are always going to maintain some form of their previous culture and propagate in a new country. That's what generations of immigrants did in the U.S. -
CelinaJaitley — 17 years ago(March 14, 2009 06:08 PM)
What are you all talking about?
The problem with immigrants is not them wanting to retain their culture,
it's when they come over and try to get US/UK/wherever to change to suit them.
No one is saying they can't speak their native language in their own home, listen to Indian music, cook Indian food, not be a Christian etc. Half of the people in Britain are eating currys and are not religious.
The problem with immigrants is when they are rude,
like talking in their own language right in front of you, wanting to live here but not bothering to learn English, wanting rules changed because of their minority religion, constantly slagging off OUR culture
, all the while, leeching off us and sending money out to their 40 family members that still live abroad.
WTF
It's true that they are mostly using the UK/USA. They want the benefits. Fine. People from 'rich' countries move about for benefits too. UK to the USA for example. But they generally follow their way of life, or keep their own but do it quietly. People shouldn't be allowed to come over, get all the benefits,
but disrupt the country and try to turn said country into the one they just left.
That makes no sense.
You weigh it up, and do you want to be comfortable and immersed in Indian things in India. Or do you want to live in the Western way and have money..ora bigger house..or WTF it is you came over for ??? but give up your old way of life.
Choose.
That's the way it's supposed to work.
What are YOU talking about? What on earth does your rant have to do with Indians?
You complained about immigrants trying to change UK/US culture and laws to their liking, but I've yet to hear about Indians trying to do that. In fact, that's ridiculous. Indian immigrants tend to be quiet and cooperative. You also complained about immigrants not bothering to learn English, but Indian immigrants are known for being educated and speaking a decent amount of English. And what's wrong with speaking your native language in front of you? Xenophobic much?
I think you're confusing Muslim Pakistanis and Bangladeshis with Indians. I know Britons have a bad habit of categorizing all South Asians together and then targeting Indians for
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safe1978 — 17 years ago(January 05, 2009 06:02 AM)
Norm (name suits you man) let me break it down to you, England is a free country. People are allowed to do what they want providing they are not breaking the law. If people dont want to mix it is their choice but also their loss. That was what the film BILB was trying to show but your race obsessed mind failed to pick that up.
Not all Indians (who you seemed to think were all muslims before being corrected) are the same, not all white people are the same etc. If you try and force people to be like you because you do not like their (legal) beliefs then they will do the same back to you. And where will that leave everyone?
Stop me if Im going too fast for you.
PS: You travelled the world and all you have learned is some swear words?
Well, that was time and a life well spent. -
Jag85 — 11 years ago(December 02, 2014 02:42 PM)
And the reason they have a better life is directly due to them being in a more progressive, open and tolerant culture than there own.
A lot of the countries that migrants usually come from are also generally progressive, open and tolerant societies, whether it's India, Bangladesh, Hong Kong, Malaysia, Poland, Bulgaria, Romania, etc. That's not the main reason they migrate, but the main reasons they migrate are usually economic, e.g. better work opportunities, higher currency wages, free healthcare, etc.
The Sub-Continent is getting richer so are all the Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis getting ready to leave the UK then?
Let's get a few facts straight here. Britain ruled India (including modern Pakistan and Bangladesh) for almost two centuries, relied heavily on Indian wealth & resources to fuel its Industrial Revolution while de-industrializing much of India in the process, caused wars and famines that led to millions of Indian deaths, enslaved millions of Indians into indentured servitude for plantation labour across the empire, relied on millions of Indian soldiers to fight for them in both World Wars and other conflicts, caused a Bengal famine where millions died in order to feed Britain during World War II, and then after the war, relied heavily on cheap Indian/Pakistani/Bangladeshi labour to rebuild the economy and staff the NHS system. Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis have contributed hugely to, and made enormous sacrifices for, the making of modern Britain, so it's ridiculous of you to suggest that they should just pack their bags and leave. -
SexySamosa — 17 years ago(February 20, 2009 09:21 AM)
Your too sensitive and I hate the ignorant rebuttal line. We are all ignorant when we are asking questions. He was only asking an honest question.
But be honest OP, Desi families aren't the only ones who want their children to marry within their particular ethnicity/culture. In America Italians and Greeks and other recently arrived immigrant peoples were like that way into the 70's & 80's. It is part of the immigrant experience. Myself, I'd marry a European or American man if we were both in love and he converted to Islam. -
MysteryReaderReturns — 17 years ago(September 22, 2008 03:28 AM)
I think it's a bit sad how immigrants say that UK has no native culture. Those who say it are in denial, but are politically correct of course. Nope, no such thing as English culture, though it was spread worldwidenope, no such thing as Scottish culture or definitely Welsh culturenot even that funny N. Irish kind where they deny being Irish. Nope. None of that exists. In fact, all those native Britons were just waiting for non-Britons to arrive, especially brown ones from India, to show them how to act civilized & how to form their own successful societies with rich histories.
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CelinaJaitley — 17 years ago(March 14, 2009 05:22 PM)
I think it's a bit sad how immigrants say that UK has no native culture. Those who say it are in denial, but are politically correct of course. Nope, no such thing as English culture, though it was spread worldwidenope, no such thing as Scottish culture or definitely Welsh culturenot even that funny N. Irish kind where they deny being Irish. Nope. None of that exists. In fact, all those native Britons were just waiting for non-Britons to arrive, especially brown ones from India, to show them how to act civilized & how to form their own successful societies with rich histories.
As The Kinks said 'There's no England anymore'
And what exactly is this English culture that's been spread worldwide? There's law, but what else? The English language? Sorry, but most English speakers in the world speak English as a second language thanks to modern American influence, not Britain's.
BTW, I don't know how political correctness came up. If anything, everything I said is NOT politically correct. -
MysteryReaderReturns — 16 years ago(November 16, 2009 03:57 AM)
This is old, but you're basically saying that Britain has no culture. I bet you're saying this because it's mainly a white country. I doubt you would say it about a non-white culture.
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squishie28 — 17 years ago(November 03, 2008 11:08 PM)
Hey, the UK doesn't have its own culture? Bull! What a load of bull! The UK (and Ireland for that matter) has rich history dating back thousands of years. And it IS different from Canadian culture, American culture, Australian culture, New Zealand culture, even white South African culture. Sure, we are living in a globalised world, but each 'Anglo' country, no matter how much we like to generalise and say it's all the same, has its own unique heritage.
Maybe you can call me racist, but I'm an Australian-born Indian and I agree with Norm on this one; seeing migrants coming to Western countries to enjoy a better life and reaping the benefits but completely isolating themselves from the mainstream culture and in some cases blatantly disrespecting it makes me sick to my stomach. If you come to a new country in the hope of individual/family gain, you can't just get away with contributing economically; there are certain social responsibilities such as integration which fall to any and every migrant.
