Why do Indians and others come here to Britain if they don't want…
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CelinaJaitley — 17 years ago(March 14, 2009 06:08 PM)
What are you all talking about?
The problem with immigrants is not them wanting to retain their culture,
it's when they come over and try to get US/UK/wherever to change to suit them.
No one is saying they can't speak their native language in their own home, listen to Indian music, cook Indian food, not be a Christian etc. Half of the people in Britain are eating currys and are not religious.
The problem with immigrants is when they are rude,
like talking in their own language right in front of you, wanting to live here but not bothering to learn English, wanting rules changed because of their minority religion, constantly slagging off OUR culture
, all the while, leeching off us and sending money out to their 40 family members that still live abroad.
WTF
It's true that they are mostly using the UK/USA. They want the benefits. Fine. People from 'rich' countries move about for benefits too. UK to the USA for example. But they generally follow their way of life, or keep their own but do it quietly. People shouldn't be allowed to come over, get all the benefits,
but disrupt the country and try to turn said country into the one they just left.
That makes no sense.
You weigh it up, and do you want to be comfortable and immersed in Indian things in India. Or do you want to live in the Western way and have money..ora bigger house..or WTF it is you came over for ??? but give up your old way of life.
Choose.
That's the way it's supposed to work.
What are YOU talking about? What on earth does your rant have to do with Indians?
You complained about immigrants trying to change UK/US culture and laws to their liking, but I've yet to hear about Indians trying to do that. In fact, that's ridiculous. Indian immigrants tend to be quiet and cooperative. You also complained about immigrants not bothering to learn English, but Indian immigrants are known for being educated and speaking a decent amount of English. And what's wrong with speaking your native language in front of you? Xenophobic much?
I think you're confusing Muslim Pakistanis and Bangladeshis with Indians. I know Britons have a bad habit of categorizing all South Asians together and then targeting Indians for
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safe1978 — 17 years ago(January 05, 2009 06:02 AM)
Norm (name suits you man) let me break it down to you, England is a free country. People are allowed to do what they want providing they are not breaking the law. If people dont want to mix it is their choice but also their loss. That was what the film BILB was trying to show but your race obsessed mind failed to pick that up.
Not all Indians (who you seemed to think were all muslims before being corrected) are the same, not all white people are the same etc. If you try and force people to be like you because you do not like their (legal) beliefs then they will do the same back to you. And where will that leave everyone?
Stop me if Im going too fast for you.
PS: You travelled the world and all you have learned is some swear words?
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Jag85 — 11 years ago(December 02, 2014 02:42 PM)
And the reason they have a better life is directly due to them being in a more progressive, open and tolerant culture than there own.
A lot of the countries that migrants usually come from are also generally progressive, open and tolerant societies, whether it's India, Bangladesh, Hong Kong, Malaysia, Poland, Bulgaria, Romania, etc. That's not the main reason they migrate, but the main reasons they migrate are usually economic, e.g. better work opportunities, higher currency wages, free healthcare, etc.
The Sub-Continent is getting richer so are all the Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis getting ready to leave the UK then?
Let's get a few facts straight here. Britain ruled India (including modern Pakistan and Bangladesh) for almost two centuries, relied heavily on Indian wealth & resources to fuel its Industrial Revolution while de-industrializing much of India in the process, caused wars and famines that led to millions of Indian deaths, enslaved millions of Indians into indentured servitude for plantation labour across the empire, relied on millions of Indian soldiers to fight for them in both World Wars and other conflicts, caused a Bengal famine where millions died in order to feed Britain during World War II, and then after the war, relied heavily on cheap Indian/Pakistani/Bangladeshi labour to rebuild the economy and staff the NHS system. Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis have contributed hugely to, and made enormous sacrifices for, the making of modern Britain, so it's ridiculous of you to suggest that they should just pack their bags and leave. -
SexySamosa — 17 years ago(February 20, 2009 09:21 AM)
Your too sensitive and I hate the ignorant rebuttal line. We are all ignorant when we are asking questions. He was only asking an honest question.
But be honest OP, Desi families aren't the only ones who want their children to marry within their particular ethnicity/culture. In America Italians and Greeks and other recently arrived immigrant peoples were like that way into the 70's & 80's. It is part of the immigrant experience. Myself, I'd marry a European or American man if we were both in love and he converted to Islam. -
MysteryReaderReturns — 17 years ago(September 22, 2008 03:28 AM)
I think it's a bit sad how immigrants say that UK has no native culture. Those who say it are in denial, but are politically correct of course. Nope, no such thing as English culture, though it was spread worldwidenope, no such thing as Scottish culture or definitely Welsh culturenot even that funny N. Irish kind where they deny being Irish. Nope. None of that exists. In fact, all those native Britons were just waiting for non-Britons to arrive, especially brown ones from India, to show them how to act civilized & how to form their own successful societies with rich histories.
As The Kinks said 'There's no England anymore' -
CelinaJaitley — 17 years ago(March 14, 2009 05:22 PM)
I think it's a bit sad how immigrants say that UK has no native culture. Those who say it are in denial, but are politically correct of course. Nope, no such thing as English culture, though it was spread worldwidenope, no such thing as Scottish culture or definitely Welsh culturenot even that funny N. Irish kind where they deny being Irish. Nope. None of that exists. In fact, all those native Britons were just waiting for non-Britons to arrive, especially brown ones from India, to show them how to act civilized & how to form their own successful societies with rich histories.
As The Kinks said 'There's no England anymore'
And what exactly is this English culture that's been spread worldwide? There's law, but what else? The English language? Sorry, but most English speakers in the world speak English as a second language thanks to modern American influence, not Britain's.
BTW, I don't know how political correctness came up. If anything, everything I said is NOT politically correct. -
MysteryReaderReturns — 16 years ago(November 16, 2009 03:57 AM)
This is old, but you're basically saying that Britain has no culture. I bet you're saying this because it's mainly a white country. I doubt you would say it about a non-white culture.
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squishie28 — 17 years ago(November 03, 2008 11:08 PM)
Hey, the UK doesn't have its own culture? Bull! What a load of bull! The UK (and Ireland for that matter) has rich history dating back thousands of years. And it IS different from Canadian culture, American culture, Australian culture, New Zealand culture, even white South African culture. Sure, we are living in a globalised world, but each 'Anglo' country, no matter how much we like to generalise and say it's all the same, has its own unique heritage.
Maybe you can call me racist, but I'm an Australian-born Indian and I agree with Norm on this one; seeing migrants coming to Western countries to enjoy a better life and reaping the benefits but completely isolating themselves from the mainstream culture and in some cases blatantly disrespecting it makes me sick to my stomach. If you come to a new country in the hope of individual/family gain, you can't just get away with contributing economically; there are certain social responsibilities such as integration which fall to any and every migrant. -
CelinaJaitley — 17 years ago(March 14, 2009 05:58 PM)
Hey, the UK doesn't have its own culture? Bull! What a load of bull! The UK (and Ireland for that matter) has rich history dating back thousands of years. And it IS different from Canadian culture, American culture, Australian culture, New Zealand culture, even white South African culture. Sure, we are living in a globalised world, but each 'Anglo' country, no matter how much we like to generalise and say it's all the same, has its own unique heritage.
Okay, you've given six or so lines telling me that I'm wrong, but like the others, not saying how. Your response has NOT countered anything I said. Rich history does not equate to modern day culture and minor differences does not make anything "unique". You're right about living in a globalized world, or rather an
Americanized
one (I've noticed that non-Americans like you want to play this down), but many people still retain culture even through Americanization.
Maybe you can call me racist, but I'm an Australian-born Indian and I agree with Norm on this one; seeing migrants coming to Western countries to enjoy a better life and reaping the benefits but completely isolating themselves from the mainstream culture and in some cases blatantly disrespecting it makes me sick to my stomach. If you come to a new country in the hope of individual/family gain, you can't just get away with contributing economically; there are certain social responsibilities such as integration which fall to any and every migrant.
First, like I've already asked before, what does this have to do with Indians? And why is it a "social responsibility" to completely integrate anyway? This seems to be an issue mostly with the UK and Australia (and less of an American one) where the mainstream Anglos have an issue with immigrants not abandoning anything native to them. Apparently it's okay if we don't look the same because we can't control that, but dressing differently, speaking a language other than English, eating native foods is completely unacceptable. And you sound like you're so desperate to please them and get be approved and accepted. -
duckfart — 17 years ago(January 16, 2009 02:19 AM)
Uhuh? and how do they not assimilate in Malaysia Sarah? They speak bahasa, pay taxes, obey the laws and vote. So how is that not assimilation?
You see, you want them to be muslim and live by your religion's laws, but Malaysia is a democracy and your constitution protects the rights of the individual over religion.
In the Uk, Indians assimilate fine, but by your reasoning then, all the Arabs and Pakistanis in the UK should loose their faith, drink beer and eat roast pork. -
CelinaJaitley — 17 years ago(March 14, 2009 06:16 PM)
i agree with OP. indians are too preservant of their culture. i think its a backward mentality inherited from their village. im from Malaysia where there are a HUGE indian diaspora over here. most of them refuse to assimilate with the Malay majority.
LOL @ a Malayasian talking about a "backwards mentality". This is the country notorious for its xenophobia (except towards whites of course) and just banned yoga.
I agree with the other poster. Indians preserving culture and not assimilating is an issue because Indians are preserving their
non-Muslim
culture and that's clearly an issue for bigoted Malays.