Who is the boy who masturbates?
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heero_us — 19 years ago(October 02, 2006 12:11 AM)
Factors that change Hoshino:
-Hoshino's parents lost their business and ended up in a divorce.
-The incident in Okinawa when the guy got ran over. Hoshino thought this was a bad omen.
-The drowning incident where Hoshino tried to reach another island where Lily supposibly gets her influence. [This was subtle]
-The swordfish that almost killed one of his friends. Bad omen again.
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Reloaded1183 — 19 years ago(October 05, 2006 01:33 AM)
I believe it was also Hoshino that almost got killed by that swordfish. I always thought that was the final big thing that finally sent him over the edge.
The whole thing about the matrix and "nothing is real", I would think means something like after a near death experience, nothing else matters.
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ratherbnjapan — 18 years ago(March 18, 2008 05:23 PM)
i agree
im not sure, but i even think there is some kind of evidence in the film to make it clear. i think they specifically mention hoshino's name.
but regardless, all of the factors have to do with his change.
but i think there is a really big one that is even more subtle but nonetheless a major part of the entire theme/point of the movie and that is the huge hints we are given about hoshino's life in elementary school.
when we first meet kuno, we also discover some other former classmates of hoshino's who go to another junior high. hoshino is still a very meek and calm boy at this point, but we can tell that he suffered from bullying at his elementary school. once he is able to steal the money from the other gang and later take the authority from the current bully of the school, hoshino starts to realize the power he can have if he takes on the role that once used to torment him. i think the inner workings and causes of bullying in japan are a main point of this film. -
mewsiqmunki — 19 years ago(January 08, 2007 07:28 PM)
i agree that these factors changed Hoshino, but i also think that in some ways his change in personaliy cannot be explained by past events, which makes his downfall all the more heart-wrenching. he seems to get high off controlling his classmates and, almost like lord of the flies, he goes crazy with power until he literally dies (not from the power itself, but as a result of wielding the power without restraint).
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tripitacha — 18 years ago(December 20, 2007 06:34 PM)
Very subtle! Everyone talks of the significance of the drowning scene, it's like, Hoshino is the fall guy in this whole film. None of us know what he's been throught as a kid, as you're only really given full insight into Yuichi's family life (which is pretty harmonius and happy), if the movie gave a greater insight into the turmoils of Hoshino's life (which it obvioulsy couldn't, as it's length is already the greatest criticism the film has recieved collectively), then maybe the audience would understand Hoshino's longling for abandon, thus, trying to swim to that island, a plight which is totally unclear and up for interpretation.
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Terebithia — 19 years ago(November 07, 2006 11:01 AM)
I agree with you about Hoshino's sudden change in mood. It started way before the trip to Osaka, I would even venture to say it started the night Yuichi slept over and sort of pointed out Hoshino's alien-like pervasiveness, because he then (Hoshino) starts in the talk about rumors and that noone seems to understand him.
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arabesuku — 19 years ago(December 18, 2006 09:36 AM)
Was it Hoshino himself who raped her or the boys though?? I always get confuzzled with that ^_^()
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itsalljustaride — 17 years ago(December 14, 2008 01:46 PM)
You know why? Because when you make a film that is not in any real discernible chronological order, then the order in which all events took place is suspect. I can deal with movie that aren't strictly chronological, but this film is way too disjointed.
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wax_noodles — 18 years ago(December 18, 2007 03:15 AM)
Yuichi is being used as a messenger to go tell Kuno where to go. The gang knows that she wont follow them, so they ask someone she might trust to bring her to the factory.
Girls' gangs and guys' gangs work together alot. The leader of the girls' gang probably asked the Hoshino to do something about Kuno, but she probably wasn't expecting rape.
The things the kids say in the van may not entirely be true. A lot of the things they say have to do with regret. They don't express it directly, but they are feeling a sense of guilt and say particular things in order to justify their actions and tell themselves that it's okay.