A biblical scene that I would have liked to see in this….
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marty-130-840283 — 9 years ago(January 04, 2017 04:28 AM)
Hi Raif, good question. Unfortunately, all the 2000 man made religions on earth will not get a person to Heaven, no matter how sincere.
Jesus is the only way.
Not one way, but the only way.
I didn't realise it was so simple.
Believe in Jesus, and the instant you believe, you're guaranteed entrance into Heaven and nothing and no one can ever take it away from you, no matter what you do, or how bad you sin.
All it takes, is belief in Jesus. God made it so simple.
So thats why I worry about you Raif, we both worship the same God, but Muslims deny that Jesus himself was God (part of the Holy Trinity, 1 God in 3 persons)
I hope I can change your mind
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raif-1 — 9 years ago(January 04, 2017 05:05 AM)
Thank you marty but if I follow you, I would be lying to myself and worse of all I would be believing blindly. Imho, this is unacceptable. The situation you described as either black or white does not seem to be practical in this world with many beliefs. In reality imo it is not people's fault for not believing in Christianity or in any religion for the matter especially if they are not born into it, not exposed to it in a convincing manner etc.
Having said that, I too hope that you see the Islamic way but it is not my say that you will not be saved even with your beliefs because I give you the benefit of the doubt that you are sincere (with your beliefs) and it is GOD's will. I see this simpler. -
marty-130-840283 — 9 years ago(January 04, 2017 06:54 AM)
but if I follow you, I would be lying to myself and worse of all I would be believing blindly
your not following me. youre following the Bible. this isnt my personal opinion, or belief, I am explaining what the Bible says.
You would not be beliving blindly, we dont believe in Jesus blindly, we believe because of the Bible. That is not blind belief. Its belief of what the Bible says. -
mamu2 — 9 years ago(January 04, 2017 07:27 AM)
Its belief of what the Bible says.
Except the Bible does not explicitly state God exists as a Trinity, or that Jesus is God the Son. Your stance is based on others' interpretations on what they think the Bible says, not what the Bible itself actually says.
I do get where you are coming from. I held that same stance myself for a very long time, until I actually started reading and examining what it really says. And rectifying it against what I was apparently erroneously taught. -
raif-1 — 9 years ago(January 04, 2017 07:51 AM)
No, I did not say that Christians believe in Jesus blindly especially if they are sincere about it. It was meant only to me. I would believe blindly if I were to follow because I already have a belief (unless for some reason my beliefs changed) so no need to follow something I'm not tuned to.
Also the bible may mean differently to different sects. For example to the unitarians, the Bible appear to them saying the absolute oneness of GOD but to the trinitarians, some verses appear to support the 3 person in one belief. In the end of the day, one just follow what one think is right based upon a set of prior beliefs and if the beliefs are sincere, who's to say they are wrong or right except GOD. -
mamu2 — 9 years ago(January 04, 2017 06:13 AM)
we both worship the same God,
Most people worship the god of the region they or their parents were born into, most believing that their god is the one true god and all others are false. You don't find that a little bit curious? Or coincidental? -
marty-130-840283 — 9 years ago(January 04, 2017 06:52 AM)
Most people worship the god of the region they or their parents were born into, most believing that their god is the one true god and all others are false. You don't find that a little bit curious? Or coincidental?
no it makes perfect sense. Every human being since Adam and Eve, was born with a sin nature, seperated from God.
But inside humanity, we feel the need for God (in all the different cultures as you said)
and humans interpret that, in whatever country they live in etc.
The one true God, is the God of the Bible (obviously) -
mamu2 — 9 years ago(January 04, 2017 07:23 AM)
But unless you are Christian by birth or conversion, you can not get to the one true God. Even if you believe in the same God as a non-Christian, your path is the wrong one because of where you were born or what your parents believe and taught you to believe. You honestly don't find that curious?
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raif-1 — 9 years ago(January 04, 2017 08:05 AM)
Mamu, I think most Christians do find it curious but perhaps they can't get around the fact that their doctrine saying salvation is only through Jesus. However when they see the reality of the world with the myriad of beliefs, for some of them something clicked. That is why the Pope has said that salvation can also be for others but it is hard to change 2000 years of belief. If there were previous Nicene councils to decide upon doctrine matters, perhaps there could be another to decide on salvation?
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Navaros — 9 years ago(February 01, 2017 09:29 AM)
That is why the Pope has said that salvation can also be for others
The pope said that - and many, many, many other things like it - because he is Satan's right-hand man and biggest advocate.
Citing the pope as an authority on God or morality is equivalent to citing adolf hitler as an authority on God or morality - either way, it's an inherently asinine premise given each man's unfathomable evil.
"Science creates fictions to explain facts" Gilman -
Navaros — 9 years ago(February 01, 2017 09:34 AM)
it is hard to change 2000 years of belief.
God changes not, and neither do his morals.
Likewise, godly people's morals do not change either. Since a truly godly person's morals are perfect (however, that does not mean that the truly godly person will always live up to those morals 100% of the time), then the only way they
could
change is by becoming evil/apostate.
perhaps there could be another to decide on salvation?
God, not ungodly men, decides upon salvation, and He made the one and only way to salvation crystal clear in His Word.
"Science creates fictions to explain facts" Gilman -
mamu2 — 9 years ago(February 01, 2017 10:24 AM)
God changes not,
God changes his mind in the Bible. God even expresses regret. And if you believe in a new covenant, isn't that God changing his mind about the first covenant that was supposed to be eternal?
godly people's morals do not change either.
Sure they do. Most places on the planet have outlawed slavery because it is considered to be immoral almost universally today. The Bible condones and commands it, and was used as a tool to propagate the practice as moral and sanctioned by God in many countries around the world (United States included)until people changed their minds on it. This is historical and can be easily researched.
then the only way they could change is by becoming evil/apostate.
Do you feel people are evil today for declaring slavery to be immoral? -
raif-1 — 9 years ago(February 02, 2017 02:20 AM)
God, not ungodly men, decides upon salvation, and He made the one and only way to salvation crystal clear in His Word.
Well, what about the first Nicene Council done to discuss and settle upon the nature of Christ divinity? Was it done by ungodly men? Also there were other such councils after that discussing/deciding other matters so it is not far-fetched for future councils to discuss matters of the Christianity faith. -
Rumble_McSkirmish — 9 years ago(January 05, 2017 09:04 AM)
And then General Bulls&&t comes in and leaves another steaming pile of apologist crap. If there was a god and a heaven, it'd be hysterical to watch these types be cast out because they spent their lives lying for Jesus
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Navaros — 9 years ago(February 01, 2017 09:37 AM)
I agree that this film could use a money changer scene, as well as a whole lot of other scenes that aren't in it (i.e. Satan's temptations of Christ; Jesus' miracles on the lake with Peter; and they could have given Jesus' resurrection more than short shrift).
"Science creates fictions to explain facts" Gilman