Interesting Show (2/10/17) with Piers and Jeffries.
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FateTheMagnificent — 9 years ago(February 11, 2017 08:18 AM)
Conway makes a blatant pitch for Ivankas' failing clothing line.
It looks like Flynn discussed lifting sanctions with Russian officials prior to him being anything other than a Bannon/Trump confidant.
Trump tweets false information on a daily basis which is then defended by Spicer and Conway. And some of the statements seem almost imply that the POTUS is delusional.
Trump questions the US judicial system once more, but now as POTUS.
Trump does not sever ties with his businesses, despite the proliferation of the Trump name internationally.
It's hard to say that anyone could possibly over-react to just one of these let alone all of them. The GOP would have convened committees for each one of them if it was a Clinton administration and would be stoking the fires of impeachment.
Unfortunately, he did win and his currently chosen party basically runs the entire country, so there really isn't anything to do but hope for the best. -
MGurlea — 9 years ago(February 11, 2017 01:49 PM)
FateTheMagnificent,
I agree with everything you said. But you can still over-react. If you watched this episode you saw it. Both Jim Jeffries and Bill Maher said give Trump time and he will start goose stepping and open death camps. That is ridiculous and an overreaction.
Just take the Flynn thing for example. What no one has mentioned is how incredibly stupid this guy obviously is. How could he not know that the Russian ambassador's phone is tapped? Plus, I am sure we know who everyone is coming and going out of the Russian embassy. How does this guy not know this? He should be fired. But just call it what it is. This guy is dumb and should be fired. Don't then go on about how this is one step away from Hitler and we will be there in a few months. That is where people lose all credibility then. -
WhoToTrust — 9 years ago(February 11, 2017 11:17 AM)
Morgan did exactly what Trump does.
A) - Accuse certain people of being reactive/"hysterical".
B) - Say something moronic/inflammatory to try to get reactions from the people he is accusing of being reactive/"hysterical".
C) - Portray ANY response to his moronic/inflammatory remark as proof that people are being reactive/"hysterical".
Just because people like Trump and Piers say people are being reactive/"hysterical" doesn't automatically mean those people are being reactive/"hysterical"any more than it makes most other Trump claims any more a reflection of reality.
The fact that people like Morgan and Trump go so far out of their way to try to manufacture/spin responses to make them LOOK "hysterical" indicates a very clear intent to discredit those who don't agree with them.
Which yes, in a word, IS a "juvenile" way of people like Morgan and Trump to try to prove they're right.
Maybe the Morgans/Trumps of the world realize how transparent they're actions are and simply don't care though, because they know that there ARE a lot of Trump supporters walking around these days who either can't see through this type of manipulative BSor simply don't WANT to see through it because what's being said coincides with their own beliefs.
Jeffries pretty much nailed it at the end though, when he pointed out that Morgan won The Apprentice and considers Trump a friendmaking the personal motivation to defend Trump (and everything he's been doing) very clear.
Transparently "SAD" -
MGurlea — 9 years ago(February 11, 2017 02:14 PM)
WhoToTrust,
It was good that Jeffries pointed out that Piers won
The Apprentice
and I guess is friends with Trump. I had no idea. I never watched
The Apprentice
. The middle finger was great as well. I do find that weird though given Piers stance on firearms, at least the last time I saw him speak about the topic on CNN. Piers absolutely HATED anyone who supported guns. Trump obviously does so it is surprising to me that he would like him.
I also don't need Piers or Trump to tell me people are being reactive or hysterical. I can see it with my own eyes and make up my own mind. And I saw it on that very panel. Saying that Trump will turn into Hitler soon, give him time is a perfect example. Also, I have seen other interviews with Bill Maher himself recently were he talked about "kneejerk liberals." So even Bill is talking about the hysteria on the left. It is there and it is manipulative and if you can't see this then you don't watch the news or simply don't want to see through it because what's being said coincides with your own beliefs.
P.S. Before you respond and assume I am a Trump supporter, Republican, or some right-wing nut, I'm not. I am a liberal, registered Democrat, have voted left my entire life, but like Bill Maher says, I am not afraid to call out BS on the left. Bill also pointed out how no one on the left calls out anything on their own side. They all just pat each other on the back and pander. -
WhoToTrust — 9 years ago(February 11, 2017 05:14 PM)
What I said was that it's one thing to call out hysteria, it's quite another to go out of your way to try to CREATE it so you can THEN point to the responses you get and CALL them "hysteria".
And if you aren't already aware that Trump has already given people LEGITIMATE cause for CONCERN all of his own doing, then anyone trying to explain it to you would do any good anyway seeing as how it's obvious you prefer to go along with the term "hysteria".
P.S. - I too am not afraid to call out BS. -
MGurlea — 9 years ago(February 12, 2017 12:11 AM)
WhoToTrust,
You stated,
"What I said was that it's one thing to call out hysteria, it's quite another to go out of your way to try to CREATE it so you can THEN point to the responses you get and CALL them "hysteria".
I only watched the episode once live but I guess I missed the part where Piers somehow made Jeffries and Bill make the Hitler comparisons?
You also said,
"And if you aren't already aware that Trump has already given people LEGITIMATE cause for CONCERN all of his own doing, then anyone trying to explain it to you would do any good anyway"
Um, ya, I am aware. I obviously watch this show so how could I not be aware. I don't know how you could even come up with this assessment. Unless you are just trying to be condescending and argumentative for no reason. Legitimate cause for concern is one thing which I addressed above to another member. Just call these issues what they are, dumb, stupid, wrong, illegal, etc. and hold hearings and fire the people. When people then start freaking out and saying death camps are next after Kellyanne does an illegal commercial for Trump's daughter that is where people lose all credibility.
Finally, you said this,
"seeing as how it's obvious you prefer to go along with the term "hysteria".
I only used the term "hysteria" because that was the term that was used in the show. People on here would know what I was referring to then. I have found you have to be very specific and explain everything or people will not have clue as to what you are talking about on here. And then still many people are clueless about what you are talking about but they will still trash you and tell you to go fvck yourself. IMDb will be missed.
Lastly,
"P.S. - I too am not afraid to call out BS."
Good. Especially if you are liberal. I just saw an interview with Bill Maher and the interviewer was saying that Bill Maher is like the only person on the left that will criticize the left. Bill's response was that people on the left only pander. -
xPhenomenusx — 9 years ago(February 12, 2017 03:21 PM)
It's not based on assumption. It's based on the regressive SJW things you've said. Also calling me Einstein sarcastically because
you
got the meaning of a word wrong.
Better luck next time. Wanna play again? -
MGurlea — 9 years ago(February 13, 2017 01:24 AM)
xPhenomenusx,
It was definitely a weird conversation with WhoToTrust. I am done with it now. I really am bored with talking to him. I felt like he was being pedantic and trying to be argumentative.
I have not read enough of his posts (nor do I care or want to now) to know is he is a regressive leftist. But I sure do enjoy when Bill Maher calls out those people on his show. It is like their head explode, the blue screen of death comes across their face, smoke comes out of their ears and they just shut down. It like, "Does not compute."
I'm sure WhoToTrust will now say I am wrongly paraphrasing this from Bill Maher's show. -
WhoToTrust — 9 years ago(February 13, 2017 07:49 AM)
by MGurlea xPhenomenusx,
It was definitely a weird conversation with WhoToTrust. I am done with it now. I really am bored with talking to him. I felt like he was being pedantic and trying to be argumentative.
I have not read enough of his posts (nor do I care or want to now) to know is he is a regressive leftist. But I sure do enjoy when Bill Maher calls out those people on his show. It is like their head explode, the blue screen of death comes across their face, smoke comes out of their ears and they just shut down. It like, "Does not compute."
I'm sure WhoToTrust will now say I am wrongly paraphrasing this from Bill Maher's show.
It's always funny when people like you don't realize the irony of calling others all those names (weird, pedantic, argumentative, regressive, etc) and claiming that THEY are shutting down because they've been "called out"
when you've just illustrated it's you who is shutting down after being called outbut only after you try to get in a few last passive-aggressive jabs.
Well played sir. -
WhoToTrust — 9 years ago(February 12, 2017 06:45 AM)
by MGurlea WhoToTrust,
You stated,
"What I said was that it's one thing to call out hysteria, it's quite another to go out of your way to try to CREATE it so you can THEN point to the responses you get and CALL them "hysteria".
I only watched the episode once live but I guess I missed the part where Piers somehow made Jeffries and Bill make the Hitler comparisons?
Which is beside the point that it's you and Morgan who are choosing to label such comments "hysteria"especially since the Hitler comparisons had already been made by many historians and not just Maher and Jeffries.
Don't forget, it was the Trump administration who chose their specific wording in the first place that mirrored Hitlers at the beginning of his rise to power. Maybe that was simply historical ignorance on the part of the Trump administration, but it WAS their choice.
by MGurlea WhoToTrust,You also said,
"And if you aren't already aware that Trump has already given people LEGITIMATE cause for CONCERN all of his own doing, then anyone trying to explain it to you would do any good anyway"
Um, ya, I am aware. I
obviously watch this show so how could I not be aware
. I don't know how you could even come up with this assessment. Unless you are just trying to be condescending and argumentative for no reason. Legitimate cause for concern is one thing which I addressed above to another member. Just call these issues what they are, dumb, stupid, wrong, illegal, etc. and hold hearings and fire the people. When people then start freaking out and saying death camps are next after Kellyanne does an illegal commercial for Trump's daughter that is where people lose all credibility.
I wasn't talking about just this show
. (Please see response to your first comment in this post). Maybe you thinking that's ALL I was referring to is why you don't know how I came up with the assessment that I did?
And generalizing extreme comments from people who may in fact be exhibiting undue hysteria to discount comments coming from all people who are protesting Trump is where some people lose all credibility.
by MGurlea Finally, you said this,
"seeing as how it's obvious you prefer to go along with the term "hysteria".
I only used the term "hysteria" because that was the term that was used in the show. People on here would know what I was referring to then. I have found you have to be very specific and explain everything or people will not have clue as to what you are talking about on here. And then still many people are clueless about what you are talking about but they will still trash you and tell you to go fvck yourself. IMDb will be missed.
Uhm, OK, but you STILL chose to go along with the term "hysteria". It's one thing to talk alot, it's another to actually say something where you're addressing what others are saying about your comments.
by MGurlea Lastly,
"P.S. - I too am not afraid to call out BS."
Good. Especially if you are liberal. I just saw an interview with Bill Maher and the interviewer was saying that Bill Maher is like the only person on the left that will criticize the left. Bill's response was that people on the left only pander.
You do realize though that taking my comment out of context and trying to apply it to something you've obviously PARAPHRASED Maher saying really does nothing to instill credibility in your own commentsdon't you?
So, back to calling out B.S. -
MGurlea — 9 years ago(February 13, 2017 01:00 AM)
WhoToTrust,
I am rolling my eyes at this whole last response from you. Good grief man.
You are obviously just trying to argue and be pedantic. Even after I explain things you want to still argue about word usage, put words in my mouth, and claim I am making sh!t up. Ya, no. This is just pointless at this point. Go back to harassing people on The X-Files board where I see you have quite a rep. -
WhoToTrust — 9 years ago(February 13, 2017 07:53 AM)
by MGurlea WhoToTrust,
I am rolling my eyes at this whole last response from you. Good grief man.
You are obviously just trying to argue and be pedantic. Even after I explain things you want to still argue about word usage, put words in my mouth, and claim I am making sh!t up. Ya, no. This is just pointless at this point. Go back to harassing people on The X-Files board where I see you have quite a rep.
Right back at you on EVERY SINGLE point.
As I said in my other post, it's always funny when people like you don't realize the irony of calling others all those names (weird, pedantic, argumentative, regressive, etc) and claiming that THEY are shutting down because they've been "called out"
when you've just illustrated it's you who is shutting down after being called outbut only after you try to get in a few last passive-aggressive jabs to try to discredit those who disagree with your opinions and can counter them with facts.
Well played sir. -
WhoToTrust — 9 years ago(February 13, 2017 07:41 AM)
by xPhenomenusx I know it may be hard to look up the meaning of words, but it's publicly available knowledge. Try that next time.
You mean like the FACT that historians have already been making comparisons to Trumps/Bannons rhetoric to that of Hitler?
Try informing yourself next time. -
evanmang87 — 9 years ago(February 12, 2017 10:51 AM)
I feel like Jeffries played right into the type of caricature Piers was talking about. Nothing that Piers said was unreasonable or offensive and Jeffries exploded at him and ended it by giving him the 1 finger salute.