Interesting Show (2/10/17) with Piers and Jeffries.
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WhoToTrust — 9 years ago(February 11, 2017 05:14 PM)
What I said was that it's one thing to call out hysteria, it's quite another to go out of your way to try to CREATE it so you can THEN point to the responses you get and CALL them "hysteria".
And if you aren't already aware that Trump has already given people LEGITIMATE cause for CONCERN all of his own doing, then anyone trying to explain it to you would do any good anyway seeing as how it's obvious you prefer to go along with the term "hysteria".
P.S. - I too am not afraid to call out BS. -
MGurlea — 9 years ago(February 12, 2017 12:11 AM)
WhoToTrust,
You stated,
"What I said was that it's one thing to call out hysteria, it's quite another to go out of your way to try to CREATE it so you can THEN point to the responses you get and CALL them "hysteria".
I only watched the episode once live but I guess I missed the part where Piers somehow made Jeffries and Bill make the Hitler comparisons?
You also said,
"And if you aren't already aware that Trump has already given people LEGITIMATE cause for CONCERN all of his own doing, then anyone trying to explain it to you would do any good anyway"
Um, ya, I am aware. I obviously watch this show so how could I not be aware. I don't know how you could even come up with this assessment. Unless you are just trying to be condescending and argumentative for no reason. Legitimate cause for concern is one thing which I addressed above to another member. Just call these issues what they are, dumb, stupid, wrong, illegal, etc. and hold hearings and fire the people. When people then start freaking out and saying death camps are next after Kellyanne does an illegal commercial for Trump's daughter that is where people lose all credibility.
Finally, you said this,
"seeing as how it's obvious you prefer to go along with the term "hysteria".
I only used the term "hysteria" because that was the term that was used in the show. People on here would know what I was referring to then. I have found you have to be very specific and explain everything or people will not have clue as to what you are talking about on here. And then still many people are clueless about what you are talking about but they will still trash you and tell you to go fvck yourself. IMDb will be missed.
Lastly,
"P.S. - I too am not afraid to call out BS."
Good. Especially if you are liberal. I just saw an interview with Bill Maher and the interviewer was saying that Bill Maher is like the only person on the left that will criticize the left. Bill's response was that people on the left only pander. -
xPhenomenusx — 9 years ago(February 12, 2017 03:21 PM)
It's not based on assumption. It's based on the regressive SJW things you've said. Also calling me Einstein sarcastically because
you
got the meaning of a word wrong.
Better luck next time. Wanna play again? -
MGurlea — 9 years ago(February 13, 2017 01:24 AM)
xPhenomenusx,
It was definitely a weird conversation with WhoToTrust. I am done with it now. I really am bored with talking to him. I felt like he was being pedantic and trying to be argumentative.
I have not read enough of his posts (nor do I care or want to now) to know is he is a regressive leftist. But I sure do enjoy when Bill Maher calls out those people on his show. It is like their head explode, the blue screen of death comes across their face, smoke comes out of their ears and they just shut down. It like, "Does not compute."
I'm sure WhoToTrust will now say I am wrongly paraphrasing this from Bill Maher's show. -
WhoToTrust — 9 years ago(February 13, 2017 07:49 AM)
by MGurlea xPhenomenusx,
It was definitely a weird conversation with WhoToTrust. I am done with it now. I really am bored with talking to him. I felt like he was being pedantic and trying to be argumentative.
I have not read enough of his posts (nor do I care or want to now) to know is he is a regressive leftist. But I sure do enjoy when Bill Maher calls out those people on his show. It is like their head explode, the blue screen of death comes across their face, smoke comes out of their ears and they just shut down. It like, "Does not compute."
I'm sure WhoToTrust will now say I am wrongly paraphrasing this from Bill Maher's show.
It's always funny when people like you don't realize the irony of calling others all those names (weird, pedantic, argumentative, regressive, etc) and claiming that THEY are shutting down because they've been "called out"
when you've just illustrated it's you who is shutting down after being called outbut only after you try to get in a few last passive-aggressive jabs.
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WhoToTrust — 9 years ago(February 12, 2017 06:45 AM)
by MGurlea WhoToTrust,
You stated,
"What I said was that it's one thing to call out hysteria, it's quite another to go out of your way to try to CREATE it so you can THEN point to the responses you get and CALL them "hysteria".
I only watched the episode once live but I guess I missed the part where Piers somehow made Jeffries and Bill make the Hitler comparisons?
Which is beside the point that it's you and Morgan who are choosing to label such comments "hysteria"especially since the Hitler comparisons had already been made by many historians and not just Maher and Jeffries.
Don't forget, it was the Trump administration who chose their specific wording in the first place that mirrored Hitlers at the beginning of his rise to power. Maybe that was simply historical ignorance on the part of the Trump administration, but it WAS their choice.
by MGurlea WhoToTrust,You also said,
"And if you aren't already aware that Trump has already given people LEGITIMATE cause for CONCERN all of his own doing, then anyone trying to explain it to you would do any good anyway"
Um, ya, I am aware. I
obviously watch this show so how could I not be aware
. I don't know how you could even come up with this assessment. Unless you are just trying to be condescending and argumentative for no reason. Legitimate cause for concern is one thing which I addressed above to another member. Just call these issues what they are, dumb, stupid, wrong, illegal, etc. and hold hearings and fire the people. When people then start freaking out and saying death camps are next after Kellyanne does an illegal commercial for Trump's daughter that is where people lose all credibility.
I wasn't talking about just this show
. (Please see response to your first comment in this post). Maybe you thinking that's ALL I was referring to is why you don't know how I came up with the assessment that I did?
And generalizing extreme comments from people who may in fact be exhibiting undue hysteria to discount comments coming from all people who are protesting Trump is where some people lose all credibility.
by MGurlea Finally, you said this,
"seeing as how it's obvious you prefer to go along with the term "hysteria".
I only used the term "hysteria" because that was the term that was used in the show. People on here would know what I was referring to then. I have found you have to be very specific and explain everything or people will not have clue as to what you are talking about on here. And then still many people are clueless about what you are talking about but they will still trash you and tell you to go fvck yourself. IMDb will be missed.
Uhm, OK, but you STILL chose to go along with the term "hysteria". It's one thing to talk alot, it's another to actually say something where you're addressing what others are saying about your comments.
by MGurlea Lastly,
"P.S. - I too am not afraid to call out BS."
Good. Especially if you are liberal. I just saw an interview with Bill Maher and the interviewer was saying that Bill Maher is like the only person on the left that will criticize the left. Bill's response was that people on the left only pander.
You do realize though that taking my comment out of context and trying to apply it to something you've obviously PARAPHRASED Maher saying really does nothing to instill credibility in your own commentsdon't you?
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MGurlea — 9 years ago(February 13, 2017 01:00 AM)
WhoToTrust,
I am rolling my eyes at this whole last response from you. Good grief man.
You are obviously just trying to argue and be pedantic. Even after I explain things you want to still argue about word usage, put words in my mouth, and claim I am making sh!t up. Ya, no. This is just pointless at this point. Go back to harassing people on The X-Files board where I see you have quite a rep. -
WhoToTrust — 9 years ago(February 13, 2017 07:53 AM)
by MGurlea WhoToTrust,
I am rolling my eyes at this whole last response from you. Good grief man.
You are obviously just trying to argue and be pedantic. Even after I explain things you want to still argue about word usage, put words in my mouth, and claim I am making sh!t up. Ya, no. This is just pointless at this point. Go back to harassing people on The X-Files board where I see you have quite a rep.
Right back at you on EVERY SINGLE point.
As I said in my other post, it's always funny when people like you don't realize the irony of calling others all those names (weird, pedantic, argumentative, regressive, etc) and claiming that THEY are shutting down because they've been "called out"
when you've just illustrated it's you who is shutting down after being called outbut only after you try to get in a few last passive-aggressive jabs to try to discredit those who disagree with your opinions and can counter them with facts.
Well played sir. -
WhoToTrust — 9 years ago(February 13, 2017 07:41 AM)
by xPhenomenusx I know it may be hard to look up the meaning of words, but it's publicly available knowledge. Try that next time.
You mean like the FACT that historians have already been making comparisons to Trumps/Bannons rhetoric to that of Hitler?
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evanmang87 — 9 years ago(February 12, 2017 10:51 AM)
I feel like Jeffries played right into the type of caricature Piers was talking about. Nothing that Piers said was unreasonable or offensive and Jeffries exploded at him and ended it by giving him the 1 finger salute.
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LiveFromNewYawk — 9 years ago(February 12, 2017 04:55 PM)
Bill tends to do that too. I was curious as to what Piers said that provoked "hysteria". I'm not a fan of his but he kept his composure and remained very calm - I didn't agree with EVERYTHING he said but he did make some valid practical points. Jeffries can be funny but he became immature with the name calling and flipping of the middle finger. When people lose their cool, they lose the fight. Jeffries' message will most likely not be remembered as much as his behavior.
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WhoToTrust — 9 years ago(February 13, 2017 08:12 AM)
by LiveFromNewYawk Bill tends to do that too. I was curious as to what Piers said that provoked "hysteria". I'm not a fan of his but he kept his composure and remained very calm - I didn't agree with EVERYTHING he said but he did make some valid practical points. Jeffries can be funny but he became immature with the name calling and flipping of the middle finger. When people lose their cool, they lose the fight. Jeffries' message will most likely not be remembered as much as his behavior.
As I explained earlier in this thread (
and which MGurlea obviously didn't understand
), Morgan SAYING Jeffries responses amounted to "hysteria" doesn't automatically mean that Jeffries responses amounted to "hysteria".
That is obviously how Morgan WANTED Jeffries response to be viewed (
in the same way that MGurlea obviously wants MY responses to be viewed negatively
), but Jeffries was simply stating a fact that Trumps rhetoric and actions since he's been in office have been VERY similar to that of Hitlers early in his rise to power.
That Morgan was obviously refusing to acknowledge the parallels is what Jeffries was raising his voice towellthatand the fact that Morgan was trying to portray Jeffries as losing his audience (in an attempt to discredit what he was suggesting)when Jeffries and the audience proved that was an obvious falsehood on Morgans part.
And lastly, the idea that Morgan was keeping his composure and remaining calm throughout the entire discussion is also a matter of opinion, seeing as how he was continually raising his voice to try to talk over and/or through others who were voicing opposing opinions.
In that regard, Jeffries flipping the middle finger was a clear sign that he HAD NOT lost his exchange (or his cool) with Morgan despite Morgan trying to suggest otherwise, and I would be willing to bet that the behavior the audience and most people who watch that video will remember Jeffries for is the same as I've just said, meaning that his message about Trump will be remembered the same way too.