Has Moffat ruined Doctor Who?
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crogoon — 9 years ago(November 25, 2016 02:46 AM)
It's funny that whenever a modern producer wants to introduce new things into the show he's pulling it out of his arse or destroying mistery.
Example: Two says that he left Galifrey because he was bored even thougt First mentioned the exile and Doctor Who is not destroyed and everybody lives! Twelve speaks about the hybrid prophecy and DOCTOR WHO IS DESTROYED. /fandom -
Culfy — 9 years ago(November 26, 2016 02:45 AM)
Well if you watch the end of Ressurection of the Daleks, The Doctor says that Tegan's reasons for leaving him reminded him of his own reasons for leaving Gallifrey. And Tegan's reasons where we she was sickened by the bloodshed, not she was bored.
So 'I was bored' has never been particularly canonical
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GladysOver — 9 years ago(November 25, 2016 03:48 AM)
Well it's arguably declined under his tenure - which is something I never imagined I would ever say or feel when it was announced Moff was taking over from RTD, but hardly "ruined".
The general quality of writing has certainly been diminishing for the last few seasons though - bar obvious, superb exceptions. Far worse though is that 'Who just feels so terminably self-indulgent (and even more so than RTD's era which is no easy feat!) and uninspired these days.
There are numerous theories as to why these problems have manifested of late but for me the predominant problem is that Moff has simply stayed too long (probably by a couple of seasons) in the job and, creatively at least, stretched himself far too thinly what with his Sherlock commitments. Incidentally the previously superb Sherlock's been on the wane too of late with the divisive 3rd series (though I enjoyed it) and the truly piss awful 2015 Xmas special.
Regardless, hopefully Chibber's will inject 'Who with some much needed freshness, though I remain somewhat pessimistic regrettably.
Disclaimer: The above is only my
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paulbeardsley — 9 years ago(November 25, 2016 06:01 AM)
Shorter answer: a) No, Moffat has not by any stretch ruined Doctor Who and b) What does that even mean?
As long as there is demand for more stories about the chap in the flying police-box-shaped time machine, the series is not ruined.
So this is permanence, love's shattered pride.
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DoctorDangerDisco — 9 years ago(November 25, 2016 06:59 AM)
Are you trying to cause arguments or something?
No he hasn't seeing as the most popular episodes in new who are all Moffat ones. Also not bringing back Mcgann? Think you might've missed something there. -
MikeF-6 — 9 years ago(November 26, 2016 09:15 PM)
Oh, sure. Moffat has ruined DW just like Davies did before him and Nathan-Turner did before him and Williams before him - all the way back to Verity Lambert ruining the First Doctor in the first serial.
And there is no doubt in my mind that Chris Chibnall will ruin it after Moffat.
Jeez Louise. Come up with something else, can't you?
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ladyljd — 9 years ago(December 02, 2016 02:29 PM)
Personally the Capaldi era is my favourite of New Who, and I'd assume the current leading man likes at least some of the scripts he's been given.
Well said and I couldn't agree more. Steven Moffat hired 2 amazing actors for the role with Capaldi being my favorite. Since series 8 he's written intelligent, mature and complex stories that have kept me very much interested in the show. For me, Heaven Sent is the best episode of Doctor Who ever.
In short, Steven Moffat has done the opposite of ruin Doctor Who. He's saved it by growing it up a bit and broadening the audience appeal. I've no doubt that all of his detractors will be sorry when he's gone.
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ed_zeppelin — 9 years ago(November 27, 2016 10:12 AM)
He's merely making it within the confines of the modern production style. His predecessor wasn't any better and his successor won't be any worse.
Frankly it'd be an improvement if we could have a regular character - Doctor or companion - who didn't talk like a media studies student. When the Doctor - played by the oldest actor ever to take on the role - struts out wearing a hoodie and "sonic sunglasses", I want to reach through the screen and slap some gravitas back into him. -
strawberry_switchblade — 9 years ago(November 27, 2016 10:41 PM)
For me Mary Whitehouse, JNT, Saward, Grade, Ian Levine and RTD had already ruined it.
Moffat merely delivered the final nails in the coffin.
Paul McGann IS the War Doctor in my fic
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Bobby9976 — 9 years ago(November 29, 2016 12:05 AM)
I like Capaldi as the Doctor, but I have found the whole attitude around the reboot to rely too heavily on Daleks, Cybermen and stories set around Cardiff.
A massive flaw to me is that most storylines are now only one or two episodes meaning there can be no significant story arc.
Additionally recent comments from the production team stating they intend to satisfy the BBC's remit of inclusion and diversity by revising history to include diverse characters anachronistically is to me, lazy storytelling and an insult to all viewers. To illustrate my point I would refer them to DC Legends of Tomorrow S02E04 Abominations which went into surprisingly graphic detail about how some of the black slaves were treated in 1860's America. The BBC could be pursuing such rich and relevant and informative storylines rather than just inserting black people into a medieval storyline for instance.
Similarly Agent Carter was an interesting show, set in the late 40's it was another superficial entertainment, but it did not shirk from illustrating how women, disabled soldiers and black men were marginalised, it is a shame the show was cancelled.
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The-Valeyard — 9 years ago(November 30, 2016 07:52 PM)
I can see no potential from Doctor Who except to continue wheeling out the Daleks and producing Christmas specials of no real interest.
And as a long life fan I no longer have any interest in either.
And it would appear that the declining ratings has proven that many people are losing interest in the series as well.
If Chibnal fails to fix the show then cancellation "hiatus" is inevitable! -
Damienracer — 9 years ago(December 01, 2016 02:45 AM)
declining ratings
And thank God for that seriously!!!!! Who in their right mind would sit through an hour of an old man talking rubbish and pulling faces, that's not intellectually entertaining at all - especially these days don't Brits have better things to do and watch, honestly. -
paulbeardsley — 9 years ago(December 02, 2016 10:18 PM)
If Chibnal fails to fix the show then cancellation "hiatus" is inevitable!
So
again
I ask, what does "ruined" even mean in this context?
What does "fix" mean?
What's the point in starting a thread if you're going to ignore every point made except by those who agree with you?
So this is permanence, love's shattered pride.
What once was innocence, turned on its side.