Has Moffat ruined Doctor Who?
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ladyljd — 9 years ago(December 02, 2016 02:29 PM)
Personally the Capaldi era is my favourite of New Who, and I'd assume the current leading man likes at least some of the scripts he's been given.
Well said and I couldn't agree more. Steven Moffat hired 2 amazing actors for the role with Capaldi being my favorite. Since series 8 he's written intelligent, mature and complex stories that have kept me very much interested in the show. For me, Heaven Sent is the best episode of Doctor Who ever.
In short, Steven Moffat has done the opposite of ruin Doctor Who. He's saved it by growing it up a bit and broadening the audience appeal. I've no doubt that all of his detractors will be sorry when he's gone.
Goodnight sweet Prince -
ed_zeppelin — 9 years ago(November 27, 2016 10:12 AM)
He's merely making it within the confines of the modern production style. His predecessor wasn't any better and his successor won't be any worse.
Frankly it'd be an improvement if we could have a regular character - Doctor or companion - who didn't talk like a media studies student. When the Doctor - played by the oldest actor ever to take on the role - struts out wearing a hoodie and "sonic sunglasses", I want to reach through the screen and slap some gravitas back into him. -
strawberry_switchblade — 9 years ago(November 27, 2016 10:41 PM)
For me Mary Whitehouse, JNT, Saward, Grade, Ian Levine and RTD had already ruined it.
Moffat merely delivered the final nails in the coffin.
Paul McGann IS the War Doctor in my fic
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Bobby9976 — 9 years ago(November 29, 2016 12:05 AM)
I like Capaldi as the Doctor, but I have found the whole attitude around the reboot to rely too heavily on Daleks, Cybermen and stories set around Cardiff.
A massive flaw to me is that most storylines are now only one or two episodes meaning there can be no significant story arc.
Additionally recent comments from the production team stating they intend to satisfy the BBC's remit of inclusion and diversity by revising history to include diverse characters anachronistically is to me, lazy storytelling and an insult to all viewers. To illustrate my point I would refer them to DC Legends of Tomorrow S02E04 Abominations which went into surprisingly graphic detail about how some of the black slaves were treated in 1860's America. The BBC could be pursuing such rich and relevant and informative storylines rather than just inserting black people into a medieval storyline for instance.
Similarly Agent Carter was an interesting show, set in the late 40's it was another superficial entertainment, but it did not shirk from illustrating how women, disabled soldiers and black men were marginalised, it is a shame the show was cancelled.
I can see no potential from Doctor Who except to continue wheeling out the Daleks and producing Christmas specials of no real interest. -
The-Valeyard — 9 years ago(November 30, 2016 07:52 PM)
I can see no potential from Doctor Who except to continue wheeling out the Daleks and producing Christmas specials of no real interest.
And as a long life fan I no longer have any interest in either.
And it would appear that the declining ratings has proven that many people are losing interest in the series as well.
If Chibnal fails to fix the show then cancellation "hiatus" is inevitable! -
Damienracer — 9 years ago(December 01, 2016 02:45 AM)
declining ratings
And thank God for that seriously!!!!! Who in their right mind would sit through an hour of an old man talking rubbish and pulling faces, that's not intellectually entertaining at all - especially these days don't Brits have better things to do and watch, honestly. -
paulbeardsley — 9 years ago(December 02, 2016 10:18 PM)
If Chibnal fails to fix the show then cancellation "hiatus" is inevitable!
So
again
I ask, what does "ruined" even mean in this context?
What does "fix" mean?
What's the point in starting a thread if you're going to ignore every point made except by those who agree with you?
So this is permanence, love's shattered pride.
What once was innocence, turned on its side. -
silver_strike — 9 years ago(November 29, 2016 03:03 AM)
"Ruining" in the context of art is a very subjective and nebulous term.
Based on popularity, the show does pretty well, which indicate success and a by-the-numbers a result of the cast and crew doing the right things.
Based on the technical aspects, such as acting, scripting, post-production, etc., they also seem to do a good job, with caveats, at times.
What you are referring to, in your post, seem to be the overall direction and storytelling, which fall under the artistic aspect, and like every form of art, it's entirely subjective, with a portion of it having an objective metrics that can be applied.
I agree with much of your post about the weird production decisions, but not with labeling it as Moffat, "ruining the show." Instead, I would point to a larger issue that Moffat had to work with and around - the show has no official canon. There is no order of events, no constants, and the main character does not change or grow (even if every few years they activate the "Doctor Generator" to create a random character that has random attributes and behaviors).
The result of which, is that everything is permitted, any actor (or actress) can play the part, and there is no right or wrong, and the only metric of quality is if it works or not. As a viewer, you can decide if you want to continue watching the show and your free to criticize and point to the flaws. -
maggieameanderings — 9 years ago(November 29, 2016 05:12 PM)
My PBS station shows the Tom Baker episodes.
Watching them makes me remember when Doctor Who was at its best storywise. And how I miss the way it used to be with the companions.
Imagine Tom Baker's Doctor having to have his memory wiped because he lost a companion. For that matter..imagine
any
Doctor needing his memory wiped because he lost a companion.
I miss when companions weren't young women from current Earth with their romantic partner.
Though I do think Capaldi's the best thing about Moffat's era. I look forward to Capaldi being under a different showrunner if he stays on. -
paulbeardsley — 9 years ago(December 18, 2016 09:24 AM)
And ultimately lethal to the show, which will inevitably be cancelled again, with next time being a re-imagining of the show. An Unearthly Child Mark II, with nothing less being adequate.
Except that none of this is going to happen.
So this is permanence, love's shattered pride.
What once was innocence, turned on its side.