Who is your suspect?
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ophion1031 — 9 years ago(January 25, 2017 09:25 PM)
Hi, Morf! I agree that Ross cannot be ruled out as a suspect, but I don't think Allen can either. I just don't think that Zodiac's DNA is what is on file because I don't think he wrote the letters. I know law enforcement ruled him out, but honestly I think that is a mistake. There are so many things that point to Allen. I'm not saying that makes him guilty, because it doesn't, obviously. All I'm saying is that I don't think he should be ruled out.
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ophion1031 — 9 years ago(January 25, 2017 10:39 PM)
@longcandle Don't include my name in any of this. If you have a problem with any of these other people, leave me out of it. I have no problem with you or anyone else, but I don't want my name in any kind of drama. I post at ZKS as well as other sites, but I'm not a follower or an ass-kisser. Leave me out of anything that doesn't involve what I am interested in - gathering information, sharing my ideas, listening to the ideas of others and really just having some good (and hopefully friendly) conversation.
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ophion1031 — 9 years ago(January 25, 2017 10:33 PM)
Yep, I am a member at ZKS. Just because there has not been much talk on Sullivan lately means nothing to me. I do think he deserves serious consideration as a Bates suspect, though Tom's site is a ghost town anymore (good, he is a douche) and Morf's site still has a lot of activity going on. I find useful information there all the time and I am grateful to have a site to go to where there are some great researchers posting new information all the time. Now, when it comes down to any 'political' type of stuff or on the site or any group of 'flunkies', I don't even know about that because I don't care and don't even notice those type of things. For me it is all about the research. I find it fun and it helps me get through the night at work. I'm not a Sullivan guy myself, but I have to ask - Why do you have a problem with Sullivan's name being made public? He has been dead for 40 years. There are plenty of other suspects/POI's who have living family yet you don't mention anything about their names being made public. I'm just trying to figure out where you're coming from here.
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BlimeyCharlie — 9 years ago(December 22, 2016 06:05 PM)
It's also pretty much the extent of the evidence on Arthur Leigh Allen. Sullivan seems to have been too tall to have matched the descriptions of the Zodiac, but Allen was even more dissimilar - Sullivan and Zodiac both had hair, at least.
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longcandle — 9 years ago(December 22, 2016 09:32 PM)
Sorry. No. Allen can be placed in Vallejo Sullivan cant ever. There is a hell of a lot more circumstantial evidence against Allenmust I restate all this?evidence which continues to build
to this day
: see recent discoveries of Allens
entire
vehicle collection.
Sullivan cant even be placed driving/owning a car on the murder dates, try as his desperate proponents might to force the obese, schizophrenic Ross onto a motorbike at Lake Berryessa! -
morfm — 9 years ago(January 20, 2017 03:24 PM)
Longcanddle wrote
"Sorry. No. Allen can be placed in Vallejo Sullivan cant ever. There is a hell of a lot more circumstantial evidence against Allenmust I restate all this?evidence which continues to build to this day: see recent discoveries of Allens entire vehicle collection.
Sullivan cant even be placed driving/owning a car on the murder dates, try as his desperate proponents might to force the obese, schizophrenic Ross onto a motorbike at Lake Berryessa!"
As Ross can't be placed in Vallejo, Allen can't be placed in the Riverside Library where Zodiac's writing was linked,but Ross can be, and he was there,in fact,hes the ONLY suspect to ever be confirmed to be in the RCC Library where Zodiac's writing was found -
BlimeyCharlie — 9 years ago(January 25, 2017 09:05 PM)
Good point, morfm.
When you look at it all, Ross Sullivan really does make for a very telling suspect in the Zodiac case. Although his height does give me some pause for thought, there really is enough in there (in particular, his connection to the Bates murder at Riverside), to make me think he hasn't yet truly been ruled out in every way he could be.
And more to the point, I reckon he makes a more viable suspect (at least as of now) than Arthur Leigh Allen ever did, even prior to the introduction of DNA evidence. The fact that you can find some individuals (like longcandle, for example) constantly flogging a dead horse of a suspect who was exonerated long ago, doesn't mean that those theorists actually have anything helpful to add to the case.
Hopefully, this case will one day be solved - and if and when that happens, charlatans like Robert Graysmith, Gareth Penn, Blaine Blaine and Raymond Grant will have a lot to answer for. -
longcandle — 9 years ago(January 26, 2017 07:27 AM)
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/16/62/2e/16622ed640a1ceb9b5525077cce37249.jpg
but Ross can be, and he was there,in fact,hes the ONLY suspect to ever be confirmed to be in the RCC Library where Zodiac's writing was found
Did every body catch that? Mr. Morford is fond of making specious, convoluted statements like this in order to deceive people into thinking that on the evening of the murder, Ross Sullivan was at RCC campus
let alone, in and around the college library
.
and he was there,in fact
No. One more inconvenient truth for Morford, et al.
In fact
, there is absolutely NO evidence and NO witness testimony to establish that Ross Sullivan was anywhere near RCC on the evening of the murder: Sunday, October 30, 1966.
EDIT UPDATE:
Michael Morford, as of Jan. 30, 2017, heavily censored his YouTube videos' comments on his pet suspect, Ross Sullivan in order to remove most dissenting opinion, including posts simply requesting more evidence. -
BlimeyCharlie — 9 years ago(February 02, 2017 03:03 AM)
"No, hum
o
r."
SighI can just tell you're from North America, aren't you? Sorry, mate, but we don't spell it that way Down Under - get used to it.
And, so far, at least, I see far less reason to distrust Mike Morford than Robert Graysmith. Just saying. -
longcandle — 9 years ago(February 02, 2017 06:54 AM)
Mike Butterfield had a contingent of loyal Aussie subjects a few years back, too, and look where his forum is just saying.
EDIT:
Hey, everybody! Amazingly, after nigh on a six-month hiatus, some "Ross" threads have resurfaced over at
ZKS
. What a coinkydink! (Right?) but the
"PRO vs. CON"
remains banished to the Admin's scrapheap of Inconvenient Truths.
Let's see what they have
"Ross Handwriting"
: 21 thread pages since Nov. 13, 2014, and here is where the graphology/handwriting/questioned document "expert" examiners are at:
Can see much resemblance in the 5's. Also in the original post, to me only the 6's and 2's looked similar. The 8's looked really different.
Hopefully some more writing samples can be found.
"Harriet Sullivan"
:
I found out the cause of death for Harold Sullivan. He died of kidney cancer.
"Ross's Boss"
:
That 2013 photo creeps me out because he looks like an older version of the worst person I have ever met in my entire life. A child molester named Richard Stubbs. Sorry to get off topic there it's just that anything that reminds me of this guy pisses me off (he ripped me off for $10,000).
"Ross Sullivan"
: Well I'll be a Kowakian monkey-lizard's uncle! morf13 has indubitably busted Ross:
At RCC, he seemed isolated or withdrawn.
"anything connecting Ross Sullivan's initials?"
: by ever-anonymous, "Paul_Averly," Michael Morford's lead detective:
The bus bomb map has the word "Ross" printed near the upper left corner.
This is the town of Ross, but it always jumps out to me.
Just WOW! These are sure putting Robert Graysmith's research skills and integrity to shame! -
longcandle — 9 years ago(February 04, 2017 11:30 AM)
Yes, people should read John Douglas and Mark Olshaker's,
The Cases That Haunt Us
. Douglas concludes that Graysmith's suspect, "Bob Hall Starr" meets much of the criteria that he, Douglas, former FBI special agent & unit chiefone of the first criminal profilerswould consider for a
prime
suspect.
Now, who was Bob Hall Starr again?
A man once described by San Francisco homicide detective Dave Toschi as a very, very good suspect, and who has been the subject of intense investigation by Robert Graysmith in his research, certainly fits the description I would put together: highly intelligent, IQ estimated around 135; spent much of his adult life living with his mother, with whom he had a difficult relationship at best; educated in chemistry and trained in codes; a hunter who once described man as the most dangerous game to a friend. And he could be placed in the different jurisdictions at the time each of the Zodiac crimes occurred.
John Douglas,
The Cases That Haunt Us
, Chapter Four:
The Zodiac
P.S. (Feb. 20, 2017): R.I.P. IMDb Message Boards &
FAILED
suspect, Ross Sullivan -
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jonafx — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 09:21 AM)
John Douglas wrote about The Zodiac in 'The Cases That Haunt Us'
It's interesting that he believes that Cherri Jo Bates was a Zodiac victim,and that the crime scene indicated it was the killers first murder,due to the disorganised elements of the crime.
He also stated the killer would have either lived,or worked nearby,as is so often the case.
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BlimeyCharlie — 9 years ago(February 04, 2017 08:51 AM)
Douglas makes a good point, I reckon.
I've long been in two minds about the Bates murder in regards to the Zodiac case. If Sullivan were ever proven to be the Zodiac, it would certainly tie up lots of loose ends in regards to the murder of poor Cheri Jo. If it were Zodiac/Sullivan's first ever murder, then that certainly would explain why the crime scene and murder were so disorganised. The one thing that does give me pause for thought is a report about the murder I read on Jake Wark's site - it suggested that the Zodiac wasn't the killer of Bates, as the victim had put up such a violent struggle, that the killer must not have been a very large or strong man, which conflicts with what we know about both Zodiac and Sullivan.
