Who thinks Lily was the reacher??
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anon17 — 9 years ago(December 08, 2016 10:32 AM)
electricblooded's point is even more clear when you realize Lily is the most evil person alive. It makes sense she'd have someone like Marshall worship her.
and yes, she is EVIL, look at everything she's done in the show -
Moonlighty — 9 years ago(December 08, 2016 12:18 PM)
Well I'm convinced since you gave zero examples. But I'd say weird irrational hatred of a fictional character makes you sound pretttttty evil yourself.
Consider the daffodil. And while you're doing that I'll be over here looking through your stuff.
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anon17 — 9 years ago(December 23, 2016 09:22 AM)
Ha, wouldn't have enough time to give all the examples
how bout running off to san fran, the countless meddling in peoples affairs, constantly treating adults like kindergartners (stealing the baseball of the mean boss, taking down christmas decorations because she was called a grinch (edited word for tv), despite the fact she was), keeping an ex on the hook for decades, accumulating and lying about her insane debt.
i'd have to dig thru episodes to get more, and there's plenty, but it's not worth the effort -
foxytree2 — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 11:26 AM)
anon, don't also forget about Lily calling Ted for help to pick her up and then stealing his car leaving him stranded.
Honestly, thats the most scumbagish thing anyone can do (that doesn't involve bodily fluids and infidelity) that I can think of. -
MonoEnojado — 9 years ago(February 07, 2017 07:22 AM)
You're right. Lily acts in totally douchy manners plenty of times. Like I said some time earlier today, all five main characters have acted like beep from time to time, but Lily and Barney are clearly the two biggest jerks.
Also, let's not forget about Lily's infamous habits of manipulating other people's live, most noticeably Ted's love life. -
foxytree2 — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 11:23 AM)
Yeah. I get what you're saying electric, but I think Lily was actually the lucky one in that relationship. She was lucky because there are so many times that any average person wouldnt tolerate the annoying stuff Lily said and got away with. She had such a snooty attitude. Anytime she was wrong, she never wanted to hear any logic and it was "OK, end of discussion, shut up, I'm right"
Meh. I've seen a lot of women like that with their husbands but then again, I think they beat the crap out of their husbands all the time. I just hated Lily's attitude. She was a perpetual 13 year old girl who never really grew up. -
foxytree2 — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 11:46 AM)
But a big red flag I think, was Lily also providing the audience and the group with a false sense of confidence. She was very jealous and wanted Marshall all to herself. I think Lily also prided herself in the fact that she was Marshalls only women in his life ever. Even though she was getting embarrassed when Marshall was telling his 'hook up stories", she still liked it because she still had to announce she was the only person with Marshall, ever, even though the group knew this already.
She knew Marshall loved her but she liked to fly as close as possible to the sun. I think Lily was also one of those types who was just a professional bluffer. She carried the attitude and confidence that she was the dominant one of the two. I think a lot of women do this who are married to rich men or show promising careers. They act as if the man's world would crumble around them if they were out of the picture without the female and her own self-aggrandizement.
I also honestly don't think it mattered to Marshall whether he was called the reacher or not, but it did to Lily so he just said whatever. Marshall was more of a chill character but I think Lily was just more of an egomaniac (like a lot of NYers) and she just kept using her daily life lying and seeing what she could get away with because she truly believed Marshall wouldn't ever ditch her. -
MonoEnojado — 9 years ago(December 11, 2016 07:24 PM)
For all logical reasons, she was defenitely the reacher. I agree with everything you said.
In the context of the show, I guess they made Marshall the reacher because like some other dude said, Lily was always self-confident. Everytime we see some flashback of Marshall's past, he's portrayed as an awkward teenager, and very unpopular with women. Lily seemed to be kind of cool when she was a teenager.
But I agree, she shoud've been the reacher. -
slkellygoo — 9 years ago(December 20, 2016 02:51 PM)
Marshall is a pretty wimpy doofus (as I write this, I'm watching The Chain of Screaming, where he breaks down like a baby because he got screamed at by his boss) while Lily is confident and assertive. There's no way he's more attractive than her - he's soft and flabby (her nickname of Marshmallow is perfect) and has a goofy baby face. They both believe in the existence of the supernatural - they went to Loch Ness for their honeymoon because they both believe in Nessie - so that's a wash. And the fact that he becomes a lawyer and eventually a judge is irrelevant since he was a stoner college kid when they met and had yet to pass the bar when they married (I watched that episode expecting he wouldn't pass). I wouldn't necessarily say he was reaching, but on any scale I'd definitely put him a peg or two below her.
Of course, it's fiction, so it's whatever you want to see. lol -
AllieMDA — 9 years ago(December 26, 2016 08:37 PM)
had yet to pass the bar when they married (I watched that episode expecting he wouldn't pass). I wouldn't necessarily say he was reaching, but on any scale I'd definitely put him a peg or two below her.
A friend, seeing some episodes of this show for the first time, thinks the Columbia law student was a reach for Marshall.
The best I could come up with was "Well he got into Wesleyanbut it was undergrad, not the same as an Ivy law school." My friend argued, he seemed a little too dim to excel at Columbia and pass the bar first time through, is all. I think it's a tossup.
As for reacher or not, Lily had her flaws, too. She could be downright evil, and was always calculating. Marshall lacked that; even when he did destructive things it was because he was an idiot, not because he was trying to orchestrate each slice of his life into some grander scheme to benefit only himself. -
ADBruns — 9 years ago(December 23, 2016 12:38 PM)
I think a lot of it has to do with how you were raised, and location. More of the group seemed to have backgrounds similar to Lily's, ie more urbane as opposed to rural. So by default they'll view that as more desirable. I personally would think that Marshall was the unknowing settler, but my upbringing matches his more than Lily's.
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getsomegrpes — 9 years ago(January 09, 2017 01:52 AM)
Lily is the reacher.
In the first two seasonsthe episode where she stalks Marshall and that dark haired girl on their first date. Another example, she freaked out when Amanda Peet's character kissed Marshall. And a third exampleLily kept Scooter on her hook for a long time without Marshall's knowledge. Didn't the group explain why people are kept on the hook? Scooter was her safety net. If she's not a reacher then I don't think she's as confident as people think she is. -
Artharas — 9 years ago(January 15, 2017 04:16 AM)
Hadn't really thought about it, but yeah when you say it like that, I'd rate Lily as the reacher. Like others have said though, her self confidence to a fault(a huge disgusting one) is probably the reason I didn't really question it. She's also in better shape, so her faults might not be noticeable on first glance while Marshal's qualities wouldn't be either. But yeah people who knew them should've seen how lucky Lily was and how much better Marshal could've done.