That was perhaps the intention of the film. Special pleading so you would not class her as a serial killer but there is
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MinistersCat — 18 years ago(March 12, 2008 10:29 PM)
I'm about 1/4 through the movie, and came here to look something up. I wasn't concerned with any supposed mismatch of characters (some click, some don't, that's Hollywood), but I was thrown off that they would have "Erica", who could barely leave her apartment building, follow the man she doesn't know into an odd alley, regardless of how badly she wanted the gun.
Furthermore, he tells her the gun is hers if she pays him $1,000 right away. What victim of a recent crime would be carrying that much CASH on them? Even if you think for a moment that she was going in to buy a gun in the first place, she would still be more likely to have a credit card, than carry that much cash. If I understood correctly, the gun shop was a sudden decision after waiting in the police station (isn't she wearing the same outfit?), so she didn't preplan by having that much cash on her. It's too odd. -
dan-1207 — 16 years ago(April 28, 2009 07:01 AM)
Dude, those aren't loopholes. In fact I think you mean plot holes. Loophole is a word used mostly in law, as in ways around laws so you can accomplish what the law meant to abolish without doing anything technically illegal.
And even if you meant plot holes, none of those are plot holes. It's just bad writing. When writers resort to coincidence after coincidence to advance the plot, it becomes lazy writing.
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padzok — 16 years ago(July 19, 2009 12:59 AM)
I laughed a few times too. Possibly the movie wasnt intended as a comedy, but I still enjoyed it.
- In the convenience store, the video machine was right by the cashier. That's extremely convenient for anyone robbing the store or murdering the employees.
- The baddie who killed his wife was supposedly involved in all sorts of drug trafficking, money laundering, and gun running. But he has no bodyguards? Not even a driver? No gun either?
- There are only 2 homicide detectives in NYC.
- An illegal search of mobile phone transmitters can be done by a fat guy in the traffic control room. Oh, and without using a hard-drive.
- CSI New York will not be at all suspicious that a guy who has supposedly killed his 2 friends, and then shot a cop, will have no gun shot residue.
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MrRazorz — 15 years ago(February 05, 2011 04:59 PM)
That was my biggest grip about the film - she never went looking for trouble, she just kept randomly wandering into it. She's lived her whole life without anything like this happening before, and suddenly she's bumping into violent criminals every time she leaves the house?
My other big gripe is that she actually found the guys who killed her boyfriend, got revenge and got away with it. A contrived Hollywood ending tied up with a neat little bow. They didn't even do that in
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alice009 — 14 years ago(December 10, 2011 03:54 PM)
"That was my biggest grip about the film - she never went looking for trouble, she just kept randomly wandering into it. She's lived her whole life without anything like this happening before, and suddenly she's bumping into violent criminals every time she leaves the house?"
i think she says somewhere in the movie that she goes walking at night time now. and assumably most crimes would happen during the night , which could explain how she is being exposed to more violent people than what she was used to.
she easily could have avoided the situation with the pimp in the car if she just kept walking, yet she took it upon herself to get involved, as with the drug dealer on the rooftop who she seeked out herself with full intention to kill. the truely 'convenient' moment was the convenience store shooting, which was portrayed as random and unlucky for foster -
shawneuser — 13 years ago(January 25, 2013 11:16 PM)
OP,
If you were laughing, then it should have been at your own idiocy.
She was never a "psycho killer." Perhaps you were watching a different movie.
She didn't even commit a murder until the revenge killing at the end of the movie.
Dude in coffee shop- self defense.
Thugs on subway - self defense.
Dude in car - self defense.
Loser with crowbar - self defense.
She didn't initiate violence with anyone. She merely did what she was unable to do when her fiance was killed- defend herself against violence being perpetrated on her.
"willing to follow some random stranger through a series of dark alleys to get a gun" - Yeah, she needed the damn gun.
"those people standing right outside didn't hear or see anything either" - Yeah, happens all the time in big cities.
"Why, after holding the pimp at gun point and freeing herself and Chloe, does she feel the need to walk in front of the car with their backs turned?" - This is the most hilarious complaint. For everyone complaining about this, apparently you didn't notice that they were crossing a bridge. I don't know about you, but once I go over a bridge, if I want to get back to where I came from, I generally have to cross that same bridge. Plus, it isn't like they should have been expecting him to attempt to run them both down in cold blood.
"By the way, if you've ever shot a gun, you know that Erica being able to shoot the driver after only having fired the gun twice, is very unlikely." - Who said she has only shot the gun twice? Maybe she had been practicing.
"Why is it that the police couldn't find any of her blood on the ground after the crobar incident with that guy she through off the roof?" - And what good would that have done them? They didn't have a suspect to match it to. She would have never been a suspect in that crime since the MO was different. The only reason Det. Mercen linked it with the others is because he had told her about it. -
Retrovenger — 13 years ago(March 06, 2013 11:00 PM)
Every movie has some loop holes. But given the source material sometimes you can't be true to life. The plot demands it. And if it didn't have any loop holes, it would be a movie about getting away with murder and that is not something you want to have your name on in case someone decides to recreate it.
Despite the holes I enjoyed the movie, because when you get right down to ti it's about people and morals, which is why i enjoy these types of grit-noire. Action and adventure are fine but how often do you have the chance to walk away from an explosion? Very rare. But how often do you converse with other people or faced with moral decisions? Very often. That's what makes a great movie, it makes you think and hits you at a personal level.
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McQueen1980 — 12 years ago(June 12, 2013 02:43 AM)
that is an excellent comment by foreveryouth and i totally agree with it. They showed the movie last night on film four june 11th , the same date as the foster's boyfriend got murdered in the movie weird eh?
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terryperring104 — 12 years ago(October 30, 2013 06:23 AM)
You wrote :- 'Hear is an afraid woman who had trouble leaving her apartment at one point and lost her husband when they got jumped, yet she's perfectly willing to follow some random stranger through a series of dark alleys to get a gun. Seems wrong and out of character to me?'
'Out of character'?? Huh? How well do you know this character then? Its about 20 minutes into the film and suddenly you know this person as well as your Grandma?
People can change suddenly, especially after extreme trauma. This person has just been half killed and has lost her husband. Not enough reason to 'snap' and lose all fear. i think I would. Or, maybe you feel thats 'Out of character' for me, as you know me so well after 150 words -
chilone — 12 years ago(December 18, 2013 08:47 AM)
No deal breaker plot holes for me. I enjoyed the movie. As far as IMDB etiquette, what's with you guys being SOOO against putting "spoiler alert" in a thread title? Does it REALLY put you out that much? Jeeze! What a bunch of asshats!!!
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walkerus — 10 years ago(October 13, 2015 06:11 AM)
The movie may have had loopholes within it, but lets face it a movie is not true life. 'The Brave One' was entertaining and kept me watching and interested for its entire length. There are not too many movies these days that do that. If you want reality go walk in Central Park after midnight.
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Stenian — 10 years ago(December 22, 2015 09:34 PM)
Hear is an afraid woman who had trouble leaving her apartment at one point and lost her husband when they got jumped, yet she's perfectly willing to follow some random stranger through a series of dark alleys to get a gun. Seems wrong and out of character to me?
Exactly, this!
Though I wouldn't say that it's a loophole per se, just a dumb movement in the writing department.