Physics all wrong?
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wroblewski-radek — 9 years ago(June 29, 2016 12:21 PM)
Maybe they can say Hank (and later Darren) were trying to push that explanation in order to throw others off in any parallel research.
You don't have to be a PHD to realize that this explanation is beep
If it was correct - Ant-Man would be, generally, around 160 pound weigh with the basis size of a nail. Now imagine him trying to walk on anything less sturdy than concrete. That would make the ant suit pretty useless. -
Its_A_Frog — 9 years ago(August 24, 2016 04:13 PM)
Actually, mass is not weight. Weight is the interaction of mass with gravity, and we dont know how gravity works in a mechanical way. Particles dont even have solidity, they are energy.
For all we know, changing the volume covered by an atom might affect its weight while retaining the same mass, just like how expanding a sail will alter its interaction with wind, or how a metal boat will float on water but a chunk of metal of the same mass will sink to the bottom. -
GuyOnTheLeft — 9 years ago(December 06, 2016 08:57 PM)
Obviously things don't keep the same mass since the tank wasn't tank weighted when it was carried around. Also suddenly Thomas had extra weight to destroy stuff when it grew in the finale.
Oh, right! I hadn't thought of that. What bugged me was being able to fly on an ant, and the scene where he smashes through the floor and the ceiling of the apartment belowbut then doesn't even break the record he lands on or stop it from playing!
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I_am_Particle_Man — 9 years ago(July 24, 2016 07:12 PM)
It was a great movie and I accept what was presented but you're right.
Another example is the inconsistency of his impacts when he lands. When he initially shrinks and falls to the tub, no damage. Falls out of the tub and onto the ceramic tile, it crumbles under him. Falls through the floor onto a record that's being played and doesn't disrupt or damage it at all but then gets launched onto a car roof and dents it. -
GuyOnTheLeft — 9 years ago(December 06, 2016 08:58 PM)
Yes, that was the thing that bugged me most. They should have said he can vary his mass at will.
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justanicknamed — 9 years ago(December 07, 2016 08:17 AM)
I think there are 2 reasons why they didn't.
First, Scott had enough stuff to learn. Changing sizes while in motion/fighting, fighting, controlling the ants. Add to that him having to know where to send his mass/gain it/whatever and it gets overwhelming. Yes, I know it is a comic book movie, but there is only so much which is going to be accepted.
And secondly, even Hank didn't know at first what was going on with his mass. It was addressed later on. -
haxemon — 9 years ago(September 12, 2016 02:21 PM)
Well first let me get the obligatory "comic book movie, fantasy, world with a Norse God etc." crap out of the way.
But in the comics, the Pym particle actually shifts matter from one dimension into another as part of the shrinking/growing process. So if Hank/Scott wants to punch hard as ant-size he keeps most of the matter and just shrinks. If he wants to walk along an ant bridge he shifts the matter while he shrinks.
Hank is intentionally vague if not outright full of crap when he describes how it works even to Hope and Scott. So you can't take the "shrinks the space between molecules" bit as a complete or even accurate explanation of the "science".
But it's clearly one of the more "astonishing" ideas for a super power in the comics in terms of making plausible science. So I think they were clever to basically present it as Hank is the only one who really knows how it works and he's not interested in sharing.
In fact, we don't even know if Cross was able to do the mass shifting thing (assuming Hank's tech does) since I can't recall anything he does where he has regular mass while shrunk. Yes he's strong but that could easily be the suit itself. He seemed to only be really light where Scott cracked the floor when he fell etc.
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GuyOnTheLeft — 9 years ago(December 06, 2016 09:00 PM)
He seemed to only be really light where Scott cracked the floor when he fell etc.
True, and look how he got flicked by the ping pong paddle into the bug zapper.
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haxemon — 9 years ago(December 07, 2016 06:33 AM)
Another good point. I wonder if there's a relationship between where the mass goes with Pym particles and the recent events on Agents of SHIELD?
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GuyOnTheLeft — 9 years ago(December 08, 2016 12:05 PM)
Thanks.
I don't watch that showwhat would those be?
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haxemon — 9 years ago(December 08, 2016 01:05 PM)
The first half "villain" (or one of) basically
finds a way to bring matter from another dimension
. Some loose connections to Doctor Strange perhaps (the mirror dimension) and some clear connections to Agent Carter.
But basically he initially believes
he's creating matter out of nothing (even though he's a scientist - he thinks he's rewriting the laws of physics) and it turns out he's essentially stealing it from another dimension
with predictable problems.
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GuyOnTheLeft — 9 years ago(December 08, 2016 02:42 PM)
Thanks!
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