Physics all wrong?
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I_am_Particle_Man — 9 years ago(July 24, 2016 07:12 PM)
It was a great movie and I accept what was presented but you're right.
Another example is the inconsistency of his impacts when he lands. When he initially shrinks and falls to the tub, no damage. Falls out of the tub and onto the ceramic tile, it crumbles under him. Falls through the floor onto a record that's being played and doesn't disrupt or damage it at all but then gets launched onto a car roof and dents it. -
GuyOnTheLeft — 9 years ago(December 06, 2016 08:58 PM)
Yes, that was the thing that bugged me most. They should have said he can vary his mass at will.
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justanicknamed — 9 years ago(December 07, 2016 08:17 AM)
I think there are 2 reasons why they didn't.
First, Scott had enough stuff to learn. Changing sizes while in motion/fighting, fighting, controlling the ants. Add to that him having to know where to send his mass/gain it/whatever and it gets overwhelming. Yes, I know it is a comic book movie, but there is only so much which is going to be accepted.
And secondly, even Hank didn't know at first what was going on with his mass. It was addressed later on. -
haxemon — 9 years ago(September 12, 2016 02:21 PM)
Well first let me get the obligatory "comic book movie, fantasy, world with a Norse God etc." crap out of the way.
But in the comics, the Pym particle actually shifts matter from one dimension into another as part of the shrinking/growing process. So if Hank/Scott wants to punch hard as ant-size he keeps most of the matter and just shrinks. If he wants to walk along an ant bridge he shifts the matter while he shrinks.
Hank is intentionally vague if not outright full of crap when he describes how it works even to Hope and Scott. So you can't take the "shrinks the space between molecules" bit as a complete or even accurate explanation of the "science".
But it's clearly one of the more "astonishing" ideas for a super power in the comics in terms of making plausible science. So I think they were clever to basically present it as Hank is the only one who really knows how it works and he's not interested in sharing.
In fact, we don't even know if Cross was able to do the mass shifting thing (assuming Hank's tech does) since I can't recall anything he does where he has regular mass while shrunk. Yes he's strong but that could easily be the suit itself. He seemed to only be really light where Scott cracked the floor when he fell etc.
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GuyOnTheLeft — 9 years ago(December 06, 2016 09:00 PM)
He seemed to only be really light where Scott cracked the floor when he fell etc.
True, and look how he got flicked by the ping pong paddle into the bug zapper.
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haxemon — 9 years ago(December 07, 2016 06:33 AM)
Another good point. I wonder if there's a relationship between where the mass goes with Pym particles and the recent events on Agents of SHIELD?
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GuyOnTheLeft — 9 years ago(December 08, 2016 12:05 PM)
Thanks.
I don't watch that showwhat would those be?
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haxemon — 9 years ago(December 08, 2016 01:05 PM)
The first half "villain" (or one of) basically
finds a way to bring matter from another dimension
. Some loose connections to Doctor Strange perhaps (the mirror dimension) and some clear connections to Agent Carter.
But basically he initially believes
he's creating matter out of nothing (even though he's a scientist - he thinks he's rewriting the laws of physics) and it turns out he's essentially stealing it from another dimension
with predictable problems.
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GuyOnTheLeft — 9 years ago(December 08, 2016 02:42 PM)
Thanks!
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