If these five had a round-robin tournament, who would come out on top?
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TheInsomniac — 15 years ago(June 01, 2010 11:20 AM)
"By the way, Apollo was at his peak when he fought Drago. He said it himself, "I'm in the best shape of my life, I'm stronger I'm quickerI feel like I could eat Nails, Nuh nuh Nails", Drago was just that fkn hard."
Apollo was not in the best shape of his life. Nor was he at his peak after a 5 year layoff. That scene was suggesting an old washed up boxer lying to himself to justify a comeback, because he couldn't let go of his past glories and move on. It was a play on real life boxers whom were past there prime. A one time great comes out of retirement (or keeps fighting past his prime) promising hes in the best shape of his life, only to disappoint us with lackluster results. When Apollo fought Drago he was only a shell of his former self. Much like Ali was (whom Apollo was obviously modeled after) shortly before this movie came out. A prime Apollo would have definitely given Drago a run for his money. -
mercury4 — 15 years ago(June 24, 2010 05:26 AM)
I think Rocky's best opponent was Apollo. If you knew how to fight Clubber, he wasn't so bad. Rocky fought him right and dropped him in 3. Tommy was an imitation of Rocky and not as good as the original as Rocky proved. Ivan Drago wasn't that great. He was inexperienced and only made it because he was pumped up on steroids and hit hard. They never mention it in the movie though. He had also never been 15 rounds with anyone of Rocky's caliber. Rocky took him to 15 rounds. When Drago fought someone who could fight back, Rocky, he lost. Mason Dixon is the worst out of them all. Keep in mind that Dixon did not meet Rocky when he was in his prime. The computer showed what would've happened. Mason Dixon had his hands full with an old retired Rocky. In his prime, Rocky wins by an early KO.
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BrotherZed — 15 years ago(June 26, 2010 01:04 PM)
I'd go with Drago as #1. Yes, he was filled with steroids but that isn't relevant. No one could have stood with him for long. Clubber was just a smaller, weaker version of Drago. Apollo could have used the hit and run on him for a while, but at some point Drago would have landed a few and it would have gone south quick for Apollo. I've never really been able to watch Rocky V so I am a little fuzzy on Tommy Gunn, but I doubt he was any better than Drago, Clubber or Apollo. Dixon is an interesting character. Yeah, Rocky gave him hell for the whole fight, but Dixon started the fight trying not to hurt Rocky and then broke his hand and fought handicapped for most of the fight. Had Dixon not come in halfhearted he would have taken Rocky out quickly. It's really hard to rate Dixon against the other Rocky opponents, he could suck or he could be up there with Apollo.
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Jailhouserock762-1 — 15 years ago(August 08, 2010 12:31 AM)
I agree with Mercury4. Maon Dixon would have easily lost against a young Rocky Balboa. And I know without a doubt that Drago would have killed him like he did Apollo. Also in the deleted scenes, they originally had Rocky as the winner of the Dixon fight. It was so great to see this movie. I would have paid much more for a ticket to the box office for Rocky Balboa. Thank You Sly.
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Straight_Pride — 14 years ago(August 03, 2011 02:17 PM)
1 - Apollo Creed (In his prime) - Balanced, modelled after Muhammed Ali
2 - Ivan Dragon (On Steroids) - He's basically a powered up version of Clubber Lang but with less boxing experience or determination (His physical attributes compensate for this)
3 - Clubber Lang
4 - Apollo Creed (Rocky I-IV)
5 - Tommy Gunn - Basically a '(very) Young Rocky' but without the strength of character
6 - Dixon - 60 year old rocky took him to the limit but he's richer for the experience.
7 - Ivan Dragon (No Steroids) - Not enough experience, nothing special without the power -
RobinInHood — 14 years ago(January 20, 2012 01:35 PM)
Apollo Creed. Come on, he was the movie version of Ali. He was quick, good reach and seemed to have a strategy on how to beat his opponents.
Also, the SOUNDS when they're hitting each other in Rocky IV are absurd. They're shotgun sounds so when Drago is hitting Apollo (or Rocky), it sounds more horryfing than it does when Apollo hits Rocky in II. If Apollo from Rocky II faced off against Drago, Apollo would win. He would use his quickness and fast speed to stick-and-move and tire Drago down. When Rocky is facing Drago in IV, he just STANDS there! He doesn't block or try to dance away (like he was taught in III), he just stands there and take it.
No doubt, Apollo is the best fighter in the movie series.
Of course, in REAL LIFE, Anthony Tarver could kick their asses any day of the week but that was not the question. -
kschubert99 — 13 years ago(October 14, 2012 09:26 AM)
LOLWUT?
Dixon would smack Gunna around the ring until he cried like a bitch.
and his chances with Lang are 50/50 too. Don't write him off because he was portrayed as a softie.
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!!!deleted!!! (43071862) — 12 years ago(September 26, 2013 10:54 AM)
"By the way, Apollo was at his peak when he fought Drago. He said it himself"
He wasnt at his peak when he said this you fool. Those are the words of a man who is way past his best, trying to convince himself and the world that he still has the tools to do the job.
At his peak Apollo wins by decision. Drago wouldnt get near him - Remember, the Apollo character was based on Ali. Im guessing that the Drago charcter was more in line with George Foreman! -
bleddrewsoe — 11 years ago(October 04, 2014 03:32 PM)
Given the criteria of a Round Robin formatIn their prime, the results would come out like this IMO:
Apollo 3-1 (Is the best overall fighter in his prime, but he still loses to Drago. Takes him the distance and is leading on points before a KO by Drago in the 15th)
Drago 3-1 (His power is too much for all but Clubber who uses power and skill to take out Drago in the 15th with a TKO. Goes 15 rounds with both Apollo and Clubber, but easily takes out Gunn and Dixon in the 1st with vicious knockouts.)
Clubber 3-1 (Even though he is able to take down Drago with his combination of power and skill, he ultimately is outboxed by Apollo and is taken out in the 6th by him after tiring)
Dixon 1-3 (Outmatched by all but Gunn and did not look good doing it. Was able to take out Gunn in 8 rounds but that is not saying much.)
Gunn 0-4 (Does not belong in the ring with any of these guys, and was lucky to last even 8 rounds with Dixon. What do you expect from the guy that won the title from a paper champ that took a dive.) -
ericswork — 15 years ago(July 21, 2010 09:34 PM)
Clubber. It took a rematch for Rocky to beat him and he needed Apollo's training to help him recover his mental state. Plus he was a trash talker. And as real boxing remembers, the trash talkers and have charisma are considered the best. Look at Ali after all. There are more polished boxers but he is most remembered as the greatest. Only reason why I can't give it to Drago is because he takes steroids so of course he's going to have freakish power.