Do you consider yourself English or British?
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vegetable99 — 17 years ago(January 28, 2009 12:55 PM)
Tbh I call myself British and English. I do find it sad though how Britain is dividing. Like we no longer really call ourselves British but, English, Scottish, Welsh and Irish. I love being part of such a great nation and I just wish that the others would see that. Like at football games now, we all wave our own flags. I think that the Union Jack should still be raised, not our own countrys' flag unless we're playing each other.
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Xsplizzle — 16 years ago(August 29, 2009 08:18 AM)
Why would/should we wave a flag that represents Wales Scotland and northern Ireland when we have a flag for england?
i am English and i am happy that i am distinguished from the other nations in great Britain (just as they are happy about their heritage)
try and tell a scotish person to wave the union jack at a football game heh -
Beuller — 15 years ago(September 08, 2010 03:37 AM)
er . . . a Glasgow Rangers fan would definitely fly the Union Jack at a football game. Just as Orange men in Northern Ireland do - they call themselves British.
A Celtic fan though . . . wouldn't. They tend to call themselves Scots - or Irish, they do after all fly the tricolour of Ireland.
That's the problem with Great Britain. At least three of the four contingents weren't asked about joining the Union. We (the English) just annexed them - violently in most cases - and now there is a divide in their own countries between GB supporters (Loyalists or Unionists) and the original native groups (in most cases considered the Rebels!). Catholic or protestant is just a religious badge that covers most of the real issues.
As a student of history I sympathise more with the invaded and conquered more than the settlers and I understand a lot of the bitterness and anger towards us. The fact is in this day and age though, our four countries in UNION is the sensible option - for all of us. Separation would cause wider economic distress and this once mighty island nation, that once controlled a larger part of the globe than any modern world power, would become nothing more than four small european nations with a very quiet unimportant voice.
I'm English, I'm British too. I have one Irish, one Welsh, one English and one Belgian (thanks to the second world war!) grandparent. So I'm a very living entente - as most of us are. -
Ms_Belladonna — 15 years ago(September 09, 2010 03:19 PM)
"That's the problem with Great Britain. At least three of the four contingents weren't asked about joining the Union. We (the English) just annexed them - violently in most cases - and now there is a divide in their own countries between GB supporters (Loyalists or Unionists) and the original native groups (in most cases considered the Rebels!). Catholic or protestant is just a religious badge that covers most of the real issues."
Pmsl..a Holywoodistic contempt for the facts there.
The act of union was voted for by the Scottish parliament. -
Beuller — 15 years ago(September 13, 2010 07:35 AM)
hmmmm..
Jumping to conclusions Mr wolf, Naughty.
So, did Scotland speak for both Wales and Ireland when they signed the act in 1707? and after the Irish War of Independence, did most of Ireland not secede from the Union? (causing years of unrest in Northern Ireland between catholics and protestants - when the real argument is historically between native Irishman and English settlers/landowners).
Surely not a sign of a 'happy union then??
When did Wales ever have an 'act' to sign btw?
When the union of the kingdoms of England and Scotland was undertaken this followed hundreds, if not thousands, of years of warring kingdoms and you could hardly say that even to this day, our neighbours 'like' the historical facts that brought the union together.
And as for the actual act of Scottish parliament joing the Union . . well, those honest politicans and monarchists of the 18th century surely represented the 'masses' didn't they? (given a total lack of votes allowed for anyone who wasnt a major land owner and who were mainly, lets face it, Englishmen anyway?)
As an Englishman myself, I do not rely on Hollywood for my facts (prefer books mainly) so do yourself a favour and dont be so presumptuous. -
Lebowski85 — 17 years ago(February 01, 2009 01:59 PM)
tbh, my family heritage is german, american and English. I was born and raised in England though. I was brought up learning about English history and heritage in school, so i have a true sonse of belonging to England, i know nothing about Welsh or Scottish history and have no sense of belonging towards any of these nations. I am English and I have been raised as such, but if anything i feel more american, than scottish or welsh, seeing as i have family that come from thereI have quite a few welsh friends as i am from Bristol which is near the welsh boarder. And i travelled with some scottsmen in South America whilst meeting several people from other british nations over the years and our mentalities are the the same. So its not like we are too different as we share similar lifestyles in almost identical societiesbut due too our long historiesthere is definately a sense of seperation and identity for all of the nations.
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Lebowski85 — 17 years ago(February 08, 2009 09:37 AM)
Tbh mate, your names is bingedrinkningisamazing. I find it hard to take you seriously. I made a perfectly reasonable comment. clearly you got bullied at school and you think your big over a keyboard. get a life mate
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