Carlos the Villain
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bronislavmeyler — 15 years ago(June 28, 2010 01:19 PM)
Is it me or Carlos was a really pathetic villain. He was not a decent human being (drug mule and all) but for some reason I felt bad for him when he was killed. It's not like Jesse didn't give him a reason to call her a tease (I can see why he thought that, I mean if it wasn't for the bad foundation of the church they would have had sex right there on the floor
And he was just to soft to be the villain. He didn't have that menacing presence (not in his face or mannerisms). Jessie on the other hand was a basketcase (even sober). She didn't have to strike Carlos for the 4th or 5th time with that two by four. Poor Carlos was pretty much disabled after the second or third blow to the head(blood pouring out of his head and all). I don't know, to me Jessie looked like she didn't want to be there (Russia or China). It just felt like the whole Christian missionary thing was not her cup of tea. Roy I can see as a missionary (he was a bit naive, not dumb, but naive) and annoying, but a decent man nevertheless. Jessie on the other hand was a liar and a killer who got away with murder pretty much. She still didn't tell Roy the truth of what happened to her and Carlos
PS
The major problem with the movie is that it lacked character development.
It was hard to care for any of the characters (Russian, American,etc., well maybe the French guy who lost his two fingers because he refused to pay the Russian police
Well, maybe Abby but that scene was way overblown (tell me where Carlos is or I'll take her pound of flesh, literally, come on, Really!!) -
j_imdb-661 — 15 years ago(June 28, 2010 03:39 PM)
He should have stopped when she said no- simple as that. His murder isn't justifiable but it's understandable that she would be that way- and a woman's first reaction in these situations is to submit out of fear, and rightfully so in many instances. Jessie did the opposite. So, her character is portrayed as instinctually different from many women.
About the character development it was kind of like being on the train with them. You're only going to pick up a few things about people you meet. The movie is about TRANSience. -
Kuato_and_George — 14 years ago(August 04, 2011 09:18 AM)
His murder isn't justifiable
Why not? I don't see her as having done anything really wrong in that situation.
He was going to rape her, seemingly did it to at least one other person, and his actions as a drug runner affect many people's lives in a negative way (probably even death in some cases). Where's the egregious offense on her part?
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grrrdevin — 12 years ago(April 04, 2013 04:03 PM)
When someone is virtually immobile on the ground with blood pouring out of their head, and you keep hitting them until they're dead, that goes beyond self defense and becomes second-degree murder. As for the drug runner stuff, pretty sure she didn't know that at the time, making it immaterial to her bashing his head in.
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andrea-kathleen — 15 years ago(July 08, 2010 11:34 PM)
What really got me about his death scene was that he totally would have stopped laughing and pursuing her after about the second heavy blow. Maybe if she was being totally pathetic and not hardly hurting him at all, but considering the fact that she eventually killed him, I think we're supposed to believe that she was really doing damage with those blows. He would just keep laughing and chasing her.
Anyway, yeah, I definitely had a bit of sympathy for Carlos. He was supposed to be a somewhat charming character, I think. I don't think he really was meant to be a true villain. Anyway, isn't it kind of silly to have super evil Villians? It makes happy endings more satisfying, but it doesn't make for a very realistic movie. -
oscarstegland — 14 years ago(May 21, 2011 04:31 PM)
You do realize that he had a criminal record with several charges, including sexual assault. The man pretends to be this nice fellow, and then he hides a couple of kg of Heroin in your bag and then tries to have sex with you even after you say no. Where is the redeeming quality in that man? I think she went a bit far in killing him, but it certainly wasn't an extreme reaction considering the circumstances. Personally, I don't think she wanted to kill him, but that she got caught up in the moment and did it in selfdefense.
I didn't trust his character at all, so it didn't really come as a surprise when he turned out to be a douche. Villain is a strong word for him. A bad and exploitative man describes him pretty well, I'd say. -
Kuato_and_George — 14 years ago(August 04, 2011 09:14 AM)
What is wrong with you?
Roy annoys you, you are seemingly pretty unhappy about Jessie committing murder, but the guy who tries to rape her is deserving of sympathy?
Seriously?
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FearlessKel — 14 years ago(September 23, 2011 10:01 AM)
I didn't buy him as the villain bc he seems to be a bit of a fool. i felt like Abby was the brains behind the drug operation and he was her boy toy along for the ride.
anyway, with his death scene they needed to either- make him appear more menacing and more of a physical threat to jessie in order to make her actions appropriate. the guy was a scum bag, but i didn't feel that he deserved to die.
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2)make it more obvious that she killed him on accident. maybe the stick she was hitting him with had a nail sticking out of it and that is what did the real damage. She seems to always hit him with the same amount of force, yet the fisrt two blows he is laughing.
I just felt his punishment was WAY TOO severe. death bc he put moves on a girl who was sending him all the right signals?
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- make him appear more menacing and more of a physical threat to jessie in order to make her actions appropriate. the guy was a scum bag, but i didn't feel that he deserved to die.
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Kuato_and_George — 14 years ago(November 03, 2011 05:57 AM)
I didn't buy him as the villain bc he seems to be a bit of a fool. i felt like Abby was the brains behind the drug operation and he was her boy toy along for the ride.
Was Carlos unaware of what he was transporting?
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FearlessKel — 14 years ago(November 03, 2011 08:04 AM)
It seems like he knew. but he also seemed less intense about it, almost like he wanted people to know so the would think he was dangerous, or cool, or whatever.
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stxflyer — 14 years ago(November 06, 2011 08:56 PM)
Get real.
There is nothing to support this position. The girl's character was not developed in that manner. 'A lost kid who fell in with the wrong people'.
Jessie did nothing to encourage Carlos. Men like that don't need encouragement.
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grrrdevin — 12 years ago(April 04, 2013 04:06 PM)
Jessie did nothing to encourage Carlos. Men like that don't need encouragement.
Except kissing him and insinuating she would have sex with him, but never mind that, women shouldn't be responsible for their actions.
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Origamipaper — 13 years ago(March 19, 2013 08:48 PM)
Are you guys kidding me? Did everybody just miss the whole point of Jessie's seemingly overreaction? Carlos was not trying to rape her, he wanted to settle the situation. The movie hinted that Jessie had a very troubled past, it's not unlikely to assume she got raped more than once maybe even sexually assaulted by her father explaining why she left home so young. It also explains why she is now with a man that provides her safety and comfort.
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