Seriously, sometimes it's like the writers don't know their own shows half as well
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ppllkk — 9 years ago(November 10, 2016 10:15 AM)
seldon913
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Yes, but with Sheldon thinking as a scientist he would seek to change as few variables as possible when going from the test environment to production.
That is an interesting point and quite worth discussion.
But that is far from the issue of who "owns" the apartment. -
ppllkk — 9 years ago(November 10, 2016 10:06 AM)
mikebryner
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This discussion is about what happens after that.
It might be interesting to speculate about that, but I would rather wait and see what happens.
But that is not the issue that the OP raised. They raised the issue of who has the right to Sheldon's apartment.
There is probably a legal answer to that, but the real question is the moral answer. There can be a lot of opinions about that, but there is no objective answer. I would rather wait until the issue comes up than open that can of worms now.
I find discussions in which there is nothing objective to discuss quite uninteresting. They are just a series of subjective opinions, usually very strongly held.
Presumably the OP thinks that the fact that it was Sheldon's apartment first gives him some special rights to it. It could equally well be argued that Leonard has been there long enough that it is theirs together. I don't believe that there is any convincing, objective answer to that.
I see no point to discussing that when the issue has not come up, and the available evidence at this point, is that it is not going to come up.
Sorry, but I am just really tired of stupid discussions.
P. S. This is quite different from
Friends
in which there was something very special about the apartment it was rent-controlled because of Monica's grandmother and in which it would not have been possible for Rachel to take over the apartment. -
kerryedavis — 9 years ago(November 10, 2016 02:16 PM)
Presumably the OP thinks that the fact that it was Sheldon's apartment first gives him some special rights to it. It could equally well be argued that Leonard has been there long enough that it is theirs together. I don't believe that there is any convincing, objective answer to that.
State laws vary, but especially with the "Roommate Agreement" Leonard probably has similar tenant rights vs Sheldon, as Sheldon has vs the building owner. Which means Sheldon couldn't just make Leonard move out, if Leonard didn't want to. He would have to go through some kind of eviction process. That can happen in some places even without any written agreement, just by letting someone stay in a place for long enough.
That said, the building owner doesn't have any kind of agreement with Leonard, so if for some reason Sheldon were to be evicted, Leonard would have to go too. -
ppllkk — 9 years ago(November 10, 2016 08:21 AM)
mybabyblue
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Well considering that the current situation is that Amy and Sheldon are in Penny's apartment, talking about getting a new place and Leonard and Penny living at Sheldon's place I would assume so, yes.
Why would you assume that there is going to be a dispute about who gets Sheldon's apartment? I thought that was rather pointedly avoided by Amy and Sheldon talking about getting a new place.
Besides, Sheldon kept complaining about them wanting to use his room as storage, which they kept answering with "you won't be living here".
Again, Sheldon does not object. I was surprised, but at this point, it does not seem to be an issue.
I am a little surprised that it has not come up as an issue,
but I noticed that it hasn't,
and whatever one might expect Sheldon to do, he is talking about getting a new place with Amy
It may become an issue, but basically, you are making a fuss about an issue that has not come up yet. Don't we have enough nonsense here already? -
mybabyblue — 9 years ago(November 10, 2016 10:07 AM)
Again, it simply surprised me that they were talking about getting an entirely new place as if it was already decided that Penny and Leonard would get the apartment when Sheldon obviously cherishes his own room and would probably prefer to stay put.
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ppllkk — 9 years ago(November 10, 2016 10:24 AM)
mybabyblue
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Again, it simply surprised me that they were talking about getting an entirely new place as if it was already decided that Penny and Leonard would get the apartment when Sheldon obviously cherishes his own room and would probably prefer to stay put.
There is reason to be surprised, but you wrote:
It was Sheldon's apartment first
Which is obvious. Whether or not that is of any importance is a separate issue.
Seriously, sometimes it's like the writers don't know their own shows half as well as the audience.
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ppllkk — 9 years ago(November 10, 2016 10:48 AM)
mybabyblue
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it seemed pretty decided last episode that Sheldon was going to be the one moving out. Well, to me anyway.
It seems so.
I wrote that because it seemed pretty decided last episode that Sheldon was going to be the one moving out.
That does not make a shred of sense. You raised the issue of who owns the apartment because it seems to have been decided that Sheldon is moving out, and
therefore who owns the apartment is not an issue.
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ppllkk — 9 years ago(November 10, 2016 11:37 AM)
mybabyblue
wrote:
Again, it seemed weird to me that they were telling Sheldon that he won't be living there and therefore shouldn't care what happens to his room as if his moving out were already a given.
I agree,
but what the hell does that have to do with your original post.
The characters seem to be working it out in a mutually agreeable way, and you seem to think that they shouldn't be working it out in a mutually agreeable way because Sheldon was there first. Really.
At least at this point, you seem to be trying to create a fuss where there isn't one. Why are you doing that? We already have enough really stupid discussions here. -
ppllkk — 9 years ago(November 10, 2016 01:29 PM)
mybabyblue
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However, since Sheldon did live there first it would make sense to me that Leonard and Penny move out.
Penny and Leonard should move out even if Sheldon and Amy want to move out?
You are quite happily leaving out what the characters want. Your conception of who "owns" the apartment is dictating what would make sense to you without any regard for what the characters want.
And you don't have any idea how ridiculous that is.
The issue of who gets the apartment has not come up yet.
And here you are creating a dispute about something that is not at this point an issue. Maybe it will be an issue in the future; maybe it won't. We don't know, but it doesn't seem to be an issue now except to you.
What would make sense to you is really of no importance. What is important is what the characters want. Are you not able to understand that?
Your conception of the rights about the apartment are completely beside the point
until the issue comes up in the series.
Seriously, sometimes it's like the writers don't know their own shows half as well as the audience.
It is clear that the writers know the series a hell of a lot better than you do. What an arrogant, and really dumb, remark that was. -
ppllkk — 9 years ago(November 10, 2016 07:44 PM)
mybabyblue
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Well if Sheldon wants to stay and keep his room, he should be able to do so.
I understand that is your attitude. Do you understand that some people will agree with you and some people will emphatically disagree with you. It is not a universal truth that the person who had the apartment first gets to keep it if there is a disagreement. You do not seem to understand that.
And that's just the impression I got from him in the last episode.
I don't think we know what Sheldon wants. I don't think we know where Amy fits into this at this point.
If Sheldon wants to keep the big apartment, Penny and Leonard can move back to her place but still share the large common area. We know that arrangement works.
None of this comes up except that, to my surprise,
Sheldon and Amy were talking about getting some other place of their own.
At that point you started to insist that Leonard and Penny should move
even though that has not come up.
I do not believe that Sheldon and Amy have ever suggested that Leonard and Penny should move somewhere else. Do you disagree?
Do you really not understand how little sense you are making?