Don't know if this has been asked before, but when Bryan tries to identify the traffickers at the time he's still in Ame
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TheCommenteer — 12 years ago(December 11, 2013 04:39 AM)
The whole thing, what is meant, how it works, how it isn't a plot hole, how it's really straight forward and you're reading far too much into it and finally how I get more and more suspicious that you're trolling.
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met76 — 12 years ago(December 11, 2013 11:01 AM)
The whole thing, what is meant, how it works, how it isn't a plot hole, how it's really straight forward and you're reading far too much into it and finally how I get more and more suspicious that you're trolling.
Well maybe not a plot hole entirely, but certainly a plot flaw since evidently this human trafficking thing as seen in the movie doesn't happen in the real world, and was just made that way in the movie so that American viewers can relate to the characters better, as pointed out by another user. If the movie is set in the real world, with a totally fictitious plot (e.g. the Albanian mafia regularly kidnaps American tourists in France) which doesn't make too much sense, it is at least a plot flaw to me. -
maria_selymesi — 11 years ago(March 18, 2015 07:37 AM)
You are almost right, only you are confounding the EU with the Schengen Area. There is a big overlap, but still they're two separate things. There are EU countries that aren't members of the Schengen Area, and non-EU countries (e.g. Switzerland)that are.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Area
That being said, I agree that the American or Western European tourists are less likely to became victims then the Eastern Europeans. Furthermore, I don't see how such a trafficking ring would hold up for an extended period of time. After the first girls reported missing, the State Department and it's foreign counterparts would immediately be all over it, and if a pattern emerges, no internal corruption in the French police would be able to resist that kind of pressure.
To me, it would have made more sense if it was a one-time big operation. American and Western European girls who can afford to travel to Paris certainly make a better "merchandize" than the poor Eastern Europeans (they certainly have better teeth :), are easier to case in an airport and to grab then transporting them there or running around Paris searching for au-pairs.
Regardless of this, I enjoyed the movie. It's one of the few movies where I am able to watch someone being tortured without batting an eye.
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P-K-One — 12 years ago(September 22, 2013 10:15 PM)
Girls from the East have to be provided with false documentation, passports, travel visa's, work permits all of which cost money.
Actually: NO.
Because they are never actually going to work, they do not need work visa or any kind of special permit. All they need is passports and some form of tourist visa.
If the girl is smart and wants to see a work permit before leaving the country, you could just tell the girl that this is a first visit to get them to know the family they are supposed to work with to see if they like her, a kind of job interview and that therefore going through all the paperwork would be premature.
And tourist visas are cheap. A 5 day visa from the UK to Russia costs 50 pounds, to pick up your Russia example. I doubt it's going to be more from any Eastern European country to France. -
TheAdvocator — 11 years ago(June 03, 2014 10:46 PM)
Ready my post again. It still makes no sense and it's still a plot hole IMO.
Even if that was a legitimate problem it's not a plot hole. What exactly are you finding wrong with it?
Again that's not what a plot hole is.
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SinJinQLA — 12 years ago(May 23, 2013 10:42 AM)
The way I saw it was that girls travelling from, say, America to France might be more naive/excited/culture shocked. So having a suave foreign guy approach them and call them princess would work wonders to drop their defenses. I'm not saying EU girls are smarter or anything, but they might be less awestruck by, say, a French accent, than an American girl who has never left the States would be. Therefore it would just be easier to get them to go along with you or invite you in or whatever. In other words American girls are easily wooed by foreign guys.
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massawar-1 — 12 years ago(May 26, 2013 02:00 PM)
They used to bring girls from Europe to America and then turn them into prostitutes. But that was pricey, because of having to pay to transport them from Europe to America. So they started kidnapping vacationing girls IN Europe. And you are right that Western families have more money, but the kidnappers have no intentions of ransoming them. Doing a ransom is tricky and might lead to them getting caught. They strictly deal in taking girls and using them as prostitutes. So that's why its cheaper to kidnap travelers, because you don't have to pay transportation fees.
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bloopville — 12 years ago(October 04, 2013 10:16 AM)
Despite the "explanation" in the movie, your criticism is valid. Prostitution, like any other business, tries to manage risk.
There is a huge supply of attractive and reasonably educated girls and women from Eastern Europe who are low cost resources for the scum that manage them. Some are convinced to come here with the old tactic of a job promise, and then the standard prostitute- making brutality, but many of the girls that we see here in Europe are tech savvy, city women who know exactly what they are getting into when they come to western Europe.
I can only imagine how hopeless life must be in Romania or Belarus that standing on the street on an Italian ring road waiting for an unwashed truck driver is a better alternative, but life in the former soviet bloc is tough. I feel for these girls.
Here in my part of Italy, it is mostly Romanian gangs that "manage" the girls. They had a little territorial shoot out the other night, and the town fathers cracked down on them and put them out of business for a month.
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TheCommenteer — 12 years ago(December 09, 2013 02:41 AM)
And you're saying these groups aren't capable of taking risks because they feel invincible? Besides, they're not the ones who manage these girls who are more "expensive". They're on-sold. Think of them like the middle man, picking up merchandise and selling it on to the consumer. Their supply would be based on demand, and just because these two girls were taken doesn't mean the majority of their time focuses on these kinds of girls.
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ydobon-1 — 11 years ago(September 13, 2014 06:54 AM)
Don't know if this has been asked before, but when Bryan tries to identify the traffickers at the time he's still in America, Bryan's friend/ex-partner whatever says someting like
I want to know how his friend Sam was able to figure out the name of the guy that Bryan talked to on the phone. All they had to go on was a few words from Kim and two words on the phone. I'm sorry, but that's not enough to ID someone.
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Kent_Kainer — 10 years ago(May 11, 2015 05:02 PM)
Its one of its lame points.
Imagine the ruckus when its known that repeatedly European and American tourists disappear in Paris.
Tourists! Not some poor girls from poor families in poor countries.
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