He sold a young girl to a family whom he knew hated his own and nothing else about them. The girl's mother was adamant a
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Silkworth-Johnson-III — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 09:18 AM)
The idea of wanting them all dead to quell future uprising is separate from Stannis not getting to Dragonstone on time. It actually proves the point, because Varys' efforts are due to Viserys and Dany surviving.
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vjfoogie — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 09:12 AM)
He ordered Gregor to raid the villageswhich is a completely normal thing to do during war. Gregor's methods are definitely overboard, but that is Gregor not Tywin.
Killing the Targ babies (the bloodline) is exactly what everybody did during after wars. You don't want people still taking the Targ side due to an heir being alive. -
Con_Thompson — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 09:16 AM)
Gregor's methods are definitely overboard, but that is Gregor not Tywin.
It's blood on Tywin's hands by proxy, Gregor is a mindless servant. If you kill a hundred people with mustard gas, it's the guy who releases it who is accountable.
Killing the Targ babies (the bloodline) is exactly what everybody did during after wars. You don't want people still taking the Targ side due to an heir being alive.
The Starks wouldn't have done so in the same situation. The reasoning behind it is easily understandable but it doesn't make it any less evil. -
Silkworth-Johnson-III — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 09:30 AM)
The Starks wouldn't have done so in the same situation. The reasoning behind it is easily understandable but it doesn't make it any less evil.
Which is why the Starks are always on the endangered list. It's a utilitarian method, primarily to prevent the need to keep having to watch your back for revenge, but also means there's one less reason for war to reignite. More peace, less death. -
vjfoogie — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 09:32 AM)
The Starks may not have done it, but look at what the Stark mentality gets you. Starting wars and losing them because of "love." The Starks have killed more people with their "honor" than Tywin ever did.
Again, I dont agree with what the Mountain does, but at the same time Tywin needed his raiding group. The difference between the mountain raiding with his men and a different raiding party is a couple upticks on the brutal side. People are still going to be killed -
Leo_ofRedKeep — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 09:24 AM)
Gregor's methods are definitely overboard, but that is Gregor not Tywin.
Tywin knew of Gregor's methods. He is responsible.
As much as I loved him, I do not approve of all he did. His use of the Mountain and his terrible plan to marry Cersei off again were issues I had with him.
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CheruthCutestoryII — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 09:06 AM)
He killed someone who declared war on him in a way that prevented needless slaughter of his own men. He was right to do what he did to Robb, easily the most selfish character in the entire series.
Tywin was a villain but most of his deaths weren't just selfish the way Tyrion's was.
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vjfoogie — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 09:35 AM)
Tywin had no intention of executing Tyrion until the TBC was lost. He had every intention to send him to the wall. Most of your other points I sort of agree with though.
We can blame the indirect or direct blame game all we want, but Tywin's death did directly led to a lot of bad stuff. -
TremendouslyThirsty — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 10:02 AM)
Regardless if he did or didn't have the intention of killing him, he knew Tyrion was innocent and still let Cersei run a
farce of a trial. Also, Tyrion had no way of knowing his father wouldn't do it. He had been fed up with his family's bullish-t for years, and acted acted upon those feelings. -
vjfoogie — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 10:31 AM)
I don't disagree with Tyrions actions, but Jaime did tell him that he had taken care of it. I understand why he did what he did during he trial, but he should have listened to Jaime.
Tywin probably didn't know if he had killed the king or not. I believe the result would have been the same either way though. -
vjfoogie — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 10:34 AM)
Genocide? Bran didn't kill them.also, we don't really know if that was the last CotF. If you want to play the indirect game, blame Bloodraven for forcing the path Bran took to make these events happen.
I do agree if Bran just walks across the wall without thinking about the NK mark, I will be really upset. They better have a ranger find him and drag him across the wall against his will or something. -
willsons-2 — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 04:28 PM)
That hardly qualifies as a "villain". Not by a longshot. Perhaps it demonstrates a character flaw or maybe just youth.
To my mind a villain is someone who consciously sets out to hurt others for their own benefit or at least are indifferent to how their actions might adversely affect others. a
By that definition Cersei and Littlefinger are the strongest contenders for the title of "Villain".
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Leo_ofRedKeep — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 06:12 PM)
To my mind a villain is someone who consciously sets out to hurt others for their own benefit or at least are indifferent to how their actions might adversely affect others.
By that definition Cersei and Littlefinger are the strongest contenders for the title of "Villain".
I'll agree on Littlefinger who clearly sets disruptive things in motion to advance his position but definitely not for Cersei who acts in self-preservation.
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