I never said what Tyrion did was smart, he acted upon feelings that had been built over years and years. The false charg
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myselfandi — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 04:13 PM)
You have to be doing the lawyer thing. You have to.
He knew what Cersei would be like as a leader.
Tommen was still around as was Kevan Lannister and even oh hey Jaime.
And then removed the only check on her for entirely personal reasons.
really? and his personal reasons for marrying Myrcella to the heir of the Martells would be?
It was incredibly typical to marry off the daughters of kings to foreign houses. That's one of the many reasons that princesses were educated to learn a lot of languages.
I think the board and the fandom are kind of lame when they talk about how eeee-vuhl Dany and Sansa and other females are. I think the same thing when Bran and Tyrion become the evil du jour.
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CheruthCutestoryII — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 07:52 PM)
Tommen was still around as was Kevan Lannister and even oh hey Jaime.
Tommen was a child controlled by his mother. Come on.
It was incredibly typical to marry off the daughters of kings to foreign houses. That's one of the many reasons that princesses were educated to learn a lot of languages.
No, in every other freely given marriage we've seen (and in the real Middle Ages) PARENTS had a say. Tyrion stole a child who wasn't his own and sold her without her mother's consent. In fact, her mother told him this could happen. Myrcella's death wasn't some unpredictable thing. It's exactly what Cersei was worried about and Tyrion was told that. And he stole her from her mother anyway.
He KNEW the Martells hated his family and wanted revenge. He didn't know anything else about them to make him think they would leave her unharmed. Until be met Oberyn.
How is it different from Viserys?
The fact is, all of the characters are trying to get along during a time when their particular society is fracturing. Hard to be a nice guy under those circumstances.
Society wasn't really fracturing in either season 2 or 4. There had been some war (hardly unusual) but it was mostly under control.
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Marendil — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 08:11 PM)
No, in every other freely given marriage we've seen (and in the real Middle Ages) PARENTS had a say. Tyrion stole a child who wasn't his own and sold her without her mother's consent. In fact, her mother told him this could happen. Myrcella's death wasn't some unpredictable thing. It's exactly what Cersei was worried about and Tyrion was told that. And he stole her from her mother anyway.
You see the thing about a good villain is you can look at the same situation and say 'he rightfully removed the innocent Myrcella from the influence of the nasty vindictive bitch who happened to be her mother.' Kind of providing Child Social Services centuries before its time.
Unfortunately we found out that Dorne has nasty vindictive bitches just like Cercei, it must be universal on some level, who knew?
'Honi soit qui mal y pense' -
Leo_ofRedKeep — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 10:10 PM)
Cersei was a loving mother and Myrcella turned out just fine.
Long may she reign
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Leo_ofRedKeep — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 10:08 PM)
Tommen was a child controlled by his mother.
And Kevan Lannister had no authority unless it be given to him by said mother. It did happen in a limited way, he was made Master of War, but foolishly refused his chance of influencng anyhing by refusing Cersei's authority.
In any case, Kevan could do little unless allowed to. After spending his life merely helping Tywin he had experience but no following.
Long may she reign
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myselfandi — 9 years ago(January 14, 2017 08:00 AM)
This is quite clarly a troll thread going by the most basic definition of the word.
Yup. Soccersteve was one of the more rational comments in this thread which has to be one of the first signs of the coming apocalypse.
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Nightman_Trumpeth — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 04:58 PM)
ORLY?
Martin: I've got to admit I kind of like Tyrion Lannister. He's the villain of course, but hey, there's nothing like a good villain.
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Leo_ofRedKeep — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 05:30 PM)
The show is turning villains into heroes, this is something GRRM could not expect at the time. Ned and Robb Stark, Stannis and Renly Baratheon, Tyrion, Varys, Daenerys all are placed under a golden light in the biggest mockery ever.
Long may she reign
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Nightman_Trumpeth — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 05:01 PM)
Tyrion isn't the biggest villain, but he's a villain to his own family.
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OursIsTheGOAT — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 07:34 PM)
I think you're overestimating how smart he is or at the very least underestimating how much his emotions can cloud his judgement. I don't see true malicious intent in any of the actions you listed in your OP.
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Wolfzbane — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 08:23 PM)
That
s just bad writing. The Tysha reveal was crucial indeed. In no way is Tyrion a villain, he is the very personification of The Fat Mans favorite concept of writing about "the human heart in conflict with itself". -
Marendil — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 08:36 PM)
That
s just bad writing. The Tysha reveal was crucial indeed. In no way is Tyrion a villain, he is the very personification of The Fat Mans favorite concept of writing about "the human heart in conflict with itself".
In the show I think it was Tywin presiding over the miscarriage of justice that led to Tyrion being convicted of a crime he didn't commit that was mostly responsible for Tyrion's ire. While I suspect that Cercei and Shae were more responsible for his conviction and of course Littlefinger and Olenna for the murder itself, Tywin was the one Tyrion held most responsible, or at least was within crossbow range when he had the opportunity.
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Leo_ofRedKeep — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 10:19 PM)
Book Tyrion is a hateful man hell bent on revenge who wants to rape his sister in the last book. The Tysha reveal makes no difference.
Long may she reign
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