This film is based off a true story, but also this is a typical example of why people become Christians. A classic story
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Korios — 13 years ago(August 31, 2012 01:25 AM)
Please when you have no argument to provide do not resort to name calling, you just embarass yourself. Furthermore, it is too convenient to invoke fallacies and logic only when it suits our needs, yet when it doesn't we call upon faith, right?
edit: the fallacy part was for jacarec, my mistake.
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awolmukiwa — 14 years ago(March 15, 2012 01:45 AM)
Well thank the universe I am not an ex-con, adulterer or murderer! I can safely stay being an atheist and never have to become a christian because of a guilt trip. Sorry to say this but christianity is on its way out, simple example the three or so nightclubs across Europe I've been to that were old churches.
So you're saying that as an atheist I can't convince someone who believes in God(not that I would want to, you guys are the ones who are always knocking on the door asking if i need salvation) that he doesn't exist, because he so guilty about what he has done? The only reason he believes in god is so he has a convenient way of saying that he can be forgiven of it? That's weakness, to live with what you have done and not use an old book as an easy way out, that takes strength. By the way after he became a christian he started killing people? Thou shalt not murder and the movie is called 'Machine Gun' Preacher? i know you'll say he killed those soldiers to protect the orphans, but since when has it been alright for a christian to pick up a gun and start killing, even if it could make it easier to protect the children? Maybe if we look at all the bloody murder and battles over history that have been declared in the name of god and christianity we see that actually it is not unusual for christians to want to kill people as they have holy justification. As soon as someone believes they have justification for evil actions that is when real evil rears its ugly head. So i suppose i have answered my own question. -
jacarec — 14 years ago(March 15, 2012 11:25 AM)
Wow talk about circular thinking.
"Sorry to say this but christianity is on its way out"
Ha ha ha ha, keep wishing buddy.
"The only reason he believes in god is so he has a convenient way of saying that he can be forgiven of it?"
You obviously miss the point about people getting their lives changed.
"i know you'll say he killed those soldiers to protect the orphans, but since when has it been alright for a christian to pick up a gun and start killing, even if it could make it easier to protect the children? Maybe if we look at all the bloody murder and battles over history that have been declared in the name of god and christianity we see that actually it is not unusual for christians to want to kill people as they have holy justification."
How the heck did you go from someone protecting children too some type of "holy war"?
"it is not unusual for christians to want to kill people as they have holy justification".
Really? I am a Christian and I don't believe that :).
"So i suppose i have answered my own question".
Yea you did, because you were arguing with your self, majority of your post had nothing to do with what I was talking about.
Stalin, Hitler and countless others were atheists and responsible for many deaths of people. (Russians killed anyone who believed in God, read the book Cry of The Martyrs). So according to your logic that makes you a murderer as well. -
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jacarec — 14 years ago(March 20, 2012 03:57 PM)
Hmmm, cant tell if trolling, or just ignorant on the bible, anyways..
I could've swore there was a part in the bible about "he without sin casts the first stone", and one by one the group walked away without throwing a stone.
lol Hitler was not a Christian, don't you ever watch Discovery Channel? -
Hakavelli — 14 years ago(March 31, 2012 01:34 AM)
"As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice." - Adolf Hitler. Yeah, definitely a christian.
And atheism = truth. I promise you that in a few hundred years, if religion hasn't wiped us all out, the truth will overcome the lies and ignorance of all religion. -
jacarec — 14 years ago(March 31, 2012 01:42 AM)
Hitler tried to wipe off an entire race of people.Yeah, definitely not a Christian.
But he was a vegetarian. So by your logic all vegetarians hate and wish to kill Jews.
Ha!
"And atheism = truth. I promise you that in a few hundred years, if religion hasn't wiped us all out, the truth will overcome the lies and ignorance of all religion".
Calm down man, don't be so melodramatic. No ones trying to "wipe" you all out. But funny thing is Christian's do and have been killed in Atheist society's. Hmmmmm interesting. -
Hakavelli — 14 years ago(March 31, 2012 08:36 AM)
"Hitler tried to wipe off an entire race of people.Yeah, definitely not a Christian. "
He was a Christian. His actions do not change that fact.
"But he was a vegetarian. So by your logic all vegetarians hate and wish to kill Jews."
Stop being a retard. I said nothing at all about all Christians hating jews. I didn't even say hitler did what he did because he was Christian. Do you even think?
"Calm down man, don't be so melodramatic. No ones trying to "wipe" you all out"
It's what Christians and other death-worshipping cults have been doing throughout history. Without Religion, we'd be far more advanced by now. Brush up on your history
"But funny thing is Christian's do and have been killed in Atheist society's. Hmmmmm interesting."
I don't know about that, but the REAL funny thing is: Christians have been murdering non-Christians throughout history. Christianity, along with the other death-worshipping religions, is responsible for most of the bloodshed throughout history. Torture, rape, and murder.
But I know not all religious people are evil. Ignorant, sure, but not all evil. -
jacarec — 14 years ago(March 31, 2012 01:17 PM)
"He was a Christian. His actions do not change that fact".
Yea, obviously you have no idea what Christianity entails (talk about ignorance huh?)
Stop being a retard. I said nothing at all about all Christians hating jews. I didn't even say hitler did what he did because he was Christian. Do you even think?
You don't even see how illogical your argument is do you?
"I don't know about that, but the REAL funny thing is: Christians have been murdering non-Christians throughout history".
See above for that answer.
"I don't know about that"
How about you read something other then things that further your agenda and worldview.
"Brush up on your history".
Oh you mean when the romans would kill Christians for sport,or Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, and Mao Zedong produced the kind of mass slaughter that no Inquisitor could possibly match. Collectively these atheist tyrants murdered more than 100 million people.
Hitler was Communists, Communist are atheists "retard" :). Communism in its truest form is Atheistic. That's why all those Christians were put too Death, and they had to hide and worship and fellowship in hiding. Also I will add right now in the middle east they are being persecuted, no ones killing you, for your beliefs, all you have to do is look it up for yourself. And this stuff is going on now. Did you see the news a couple of weeks ago about the Iranian pastor sentenced to death for his beliefs? Or we you too busy reading Dawkins over and over again?
"Without Religion, we'd be far more advanced by now".
In what way?
But just to put things into perspective's. I love Science, its one of my favorite subjects. But again story's like in this movie here is the reason why atheists will never win, but at the same time believing in a higher power is not in anyway a reflection on one's belief in Science, those two are not exclusive from one another.
Edit: Also to put things into perspective, I am a Christian, not a Catholic, I don't agree with the Catholic church because they don't follow the bible. So some of the things you are mentioning have too do with the Catholic Church and not Christianity, Christianity and Catholiscm is not one in the same, you should check out the history on that, because its way too long for me too put here, but its pretty interesting. -
Hakavelli — 14 years ago(March 31, 2012 07:20 PM)
Ha! Holy crap! I've never read so much ignorant nonsense in my entire life.
"Yea, obviously you have no idea what Christianity entails (talk about ignorance huh?)"
History speaks for itself.
"You don't even see how illogical your argument is do you? "
You clearly have no idea how to respond to certain arguments, so you reply with nonsense like this. Typical death-worshipper.
"How about you read something other then things that further your agenda and worldview. "
Give me a list of atheists and atheist societies that have murdered religious people for being religious. Stalin and Mao do not count - they had their own agenda. Just like Hitler didn't kill jews because he was christian. He was just evil and happened to be christian.
Christianity is responsible for the deaths of countless millions.- A quick list of some of those deaths:
Murdered THOUSANDS of ancient pagans for not converting to Christianity.
The Inquisition. Thousands of deaths, again.
Murdering hundreds of THOUSANDS for being "witches". Mostly women.
The Crusades. Millions of deaths.
Murdering heretics and atheists throughout history. Impossible to know just how many thousands/millions have died.
The list goes on and on. It gets even bigger if you include other religions.
Compare how powerful religion was 2 hundred years ago to how it is today. Religion has lost its grip on a lot of the world, and it will continue to in years to come. Science and truth will always claw their way from under the shrouds of ignorance that envelop our world thanks to religious ignorance. It wil prevail, and there's nothing you death-worshippers can do about it.
- A quick list of some of those deaths:
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jacarec — 14 years ago(March 31, 2012 11:03 PM)
"Typical death-worshipper".
Wow, I have no idea what you're talking about. Think you need to seek a mental health specialist.
"Stalin and Mao do not count - they had their own agenda. Just like Hitler didn't kill jews because he was christian. He was just evil and happened to be christian".
Wait a minute did you just contradict your whole argument, and actually agree with what I 've been saying about Hitler this whole time?..Yes you did.
Christianity is responsible for the deaths of countless millions.- A quick list of some of those deaths:
Murdered THOUSANDS of ancient pagans for not converting to Christianity.
The Inquisition. Thousands of deaths, again.
Murdering hundreds of THOUSANDS for being "witches". Mostly women.
The Crusades. Millions of deaths.
Murdering heretics and atheists throughout history. Impossible to know just how many thousands/millions have died.
The list goes on and on. It gets even bigger if you include other religions.
See Catholiscm, Political Agenda's, Roman Emperor Constantine and your very own logic above.
Murdering hundreds of THOUSANDS for being "witches". Mostly women.
Saleem Witch trails only 25 were killed, not right either way, but just wanted to calm you down from the millions..and millions.
- A quick list of some of those deaths:
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Hakavelli — 14 years ago(April 01, 2012 12:15 AM)
"Wow, I have no idea what you're talking about. Think you need to seek a mental health specialist. "
Sure you don't, death-worshipper.
"Wait a minute did you just contradict your whole argument, and actually agree with what I 've been saying about Hitler this whole time?..Yes you did. "
It's not possible for me to contradict myself on that argument because I never said otherwise. I simply said that Hitler WAS a Christian, because you replied to another poster saying Hitler was not a Christian.
"See Catholiscm, Political Agenda's, Roman Emperor Constantine and your very own logic above. "
Try making a real argument, death-worshipper, instead of being so vague. Christianity was and still is responsible for crimes against humanity in the name of their "god".
"Saleem Witch trails only 25 were killed, not right either way, but just wanted to calm you down from the millions..and millions. "
First of all, it's Salem, not Saleem. And Salem is just 1 town/city in America that it happened in. Now, if you wasn't so ignorant you would know that it was happening all over Europe too. Way more than 25 were killed, you fool.
But that's all I have to say to you, death-worshipper. Feel free to respond again with a few words that make no sense, or add nothing to your side of the argument, but do not expect any more replies. I need to stop replying to people who ignorantly follow evil. You are no better than those who commit murder in the name of your religion. -
Shantanab-Lone-Voyager — 13 years ago(April 08, 2012 03:29 PM)
The basic teachings of all major religion is the same, and a distressed man/woman can follow any one of them resulting into a "Deliverance"I fail to see why you're biased towards a particular one.
I'm an atheist ( In the sense I don't particularly follow the superficial rigorousness of any Religion whatsoever. I don't believe that praying in front of a crucifix, or inside a church, mosque or temple, uttering some per-defined words can bring me closer to the so called "God" ) - but I do believe in the strength and purity of one's inner mind and soulbut that's got nothing to do with "Religion" and is mostly based on self-realization.
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jacarec — 13 years ago(April 09, 2012 10:41 AM)
"all major religion is the same, and a distressed man/woman"
Not at all. Some religions say you can live a life of chaos and that will bring you closer too God (hindu). Or, just follow this impossible set of rules and you will be fine (Jewish). Or cover your women up and you can have multiple wives (Muslim) I fail to see how any of that can help anyone who is in distress.
"I don't believe that praying in front of a crucifix, or inside a church, mosque or temple, uttering some per-defined words can bring me closer to the so called "God"
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Shantanab-Lone-Voyager — 13 years ago(April 09, 2012 03:14 PM)
Not at all. Some religions say you can live a life of chaos and that will bring you closer too God (Hindu). Or, just follow this impossible set of rules and you will be fine (Jewish). Or cover your women up and you can have multiple wives (Muslim)
I am not quite aware of Jewish customs and so I will not comment on that
But none of the original scriptures of Hindu religious texts (Vedas ) mention what you presented there (quote something if possible to justify that), I believe you've confused what the original religious texts tried to teach with the preachings of some extremist religious groups.
I believe religions should be like a moral guide that leads it's followers to attain serenity, without handing out multiple unnecessary rulesbut alas that's not the case for any of them.
Hindus religion puts great emphasis on attaining spiritual tranquility via special meditative practice called "Yoga" (I'm sure you've heard the name), which means unification of body and mind in a calm manner - Hindus does not live a life of "chaos" to be closer to god, actually just the opposite.
As for the veil issue :
http://middleeast.about.com/od/religionsectarianism/f/me080209.htm
And polygamy is a very old cultural concept and was practiced in most parts of the world in ancient times, not only by Muslims.
I fail to see how any of that can help anyone who is in distress.
Again I want to emphasize that no religion is better than the other, I believe Hindus and Muslims will disagree with you over this. Why do you persist in believing that only "Christianity" is the only solution? I thought even bible spoke of religious tolerance.
Funny thing is, I don't believe that either. Neither did Jesus.
I don't know whether today's "Christianity" can be attributed to Jesus solely - because it has evolved so much after his death!
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jacarec — 13 years ago(April 09, 2012 05:05 PM)
Hindu's believe one must choose a path that will lead them to the one/creator/god. All paths lead to the one. So through my travels, I asked the question to a Hindu"If all paths lead to the one?" "What if I chose a path to be violent"..He said.."If that leads you to the one, then so be it"But even without him answering me , the logic of "all paths" lead to the one is flawed.
"I believe Hindus and Muslims will disagree with you over this".
lol,Of course they would.
"I thought even bible spoke of religious tolerance".
I think you're mistaking, not be violent towards someone, equals acceptance. The bible clearly points out, not to be violent or attack someone for any reason. But, the very notion of being called a Christian, is based off the fact you don't subscribe to other religions. In the day's of the bible, there were thousands upon thousands of religions, cults, multiple god worship, etc. And what showed that you were a true believer of Christ was that one did not subscribe to any of those. The real question though is why? Why would one need to reject all those other religions and schools of thought?
"I don't know whether today's "Christianity" can be attributed to Jesus solely - because it has evolved so much after his death!"
Again, not so. The different schools of thought that come into conflict today with Christianity, has always been around, it was well documented in both the old and new testament. "Nothing new under the sun"..The reason being is because man will always be man. Man is a selfish, arrogant creature at times, so the same fallacies that plague man then, still so today. But there were and always will be true believers, and that will never change. The Romans tried to wipe out Christianity, Russians, Muslims tried (and continue to try to this day) but they were unsuccessful, and Christianity still thrives and will continue.
Side note, I am not saying that every person who is Russian or muslim etc , wants to kill christians, no i was just simply recounting history and the truth of things. And also just because someone claims they're christian doesn't make them so, even Jesus said as much. Trust me,there are plenty of evil, no good scum bags on the inside of "church" as well. -
entropyISdead — 13 years ago(June 14, 2012 01:46 AM)
"The bible clearly points out, not to be violent or attack someone for any reason"
Yet you're praising the main character of this movie as being a testament to the power of christianity. My god, you people. lol -
Korios — 13 years ago(August 31, 2012 01:41 AM)
Omg, that was far more than enough ignorance and fact/history distortion I can absorb in one day If I had read further I wouldn't have bothered before.
The "I am Christian, not a Catholic" line was the icing on the cake. So is catholicism a separate religion now? Since when? Are Baptists, Protestants and Greek Orthodox believers separate from Christianity as well? If so then who is a real Christian (like you)? Please, enlighten me.
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