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Innocent User — 1 year ago(January 16, 2025 09:16 PM)
This Kermode guy sounds smart and seems to derive pleasure from analysing movies. I like thinking about philosophical movies too. I'll have to check him out.
I don't think intelligence is the reason why people do, or do not understand the movie. It's probably more to do with the kind of art they've consumed before and the expectations they have for a Ridley Scott movie. Had Aronofsky, Bergman, Tarkovsky, or even Kubrick made Prometheus, people would have examined it closer and saw what was there to see.
If you understand the myth, an appreciation for the depth of the movie follows. The myth is essentially a way of telling people that life is not subject to free will, but is instead encoded with a "program" that governs it. Prometheus is punished for eternity for interfering with that program by gifting man intelligence (represented by their ability to create fire) and therefore granting them dominion over the rest of the animal kingdom.
In the movie, David accepts he is programmed, and knows that humans too are "programmed", but is confused by Shaw's belief that she is free to make choices.
Shaw's belief in the Christian god is tested to the extreme by the discovery of the engineers and the evidence that suggests they've been tampering with creation. Like David's master, they are guilty of Promethean arrogance.
Are they programming, or reprogramming? Although they are clearly messing around with life and playing god, their objective is ambiguous. However, Shaw's certainty in the face of such ambiguity, her lack of logic, intrigues David. She is deeply indoctrinated (programmed) by her Christian faith, yet she cannot see that her beliefs are governed by it. She cannot see that she quite obviously doesn't choose to believe; she has to believe, or her faith will be undermined and her entire belief system will collapse. She's a prisoner of her programming, just like David.
That summary omits many layers of the film, but I suspect they'd only be wasted on you, because you're programmed to insist the movie is garbage.
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∂³∑x² — 1 year ago(January 16, 2025 09:27 PM)
It's certainly an interesting take Innocent User and one which I'll no doubt stay awake thinking of for weeks, months or even years to come
This whole notion of characters being trapped inside of a reality which they have no control over and are made to enact out as foreseen by a higher power which grants them the illusion of free will but which ultimately has been planned out for them all along is an interesting one
Had that higher power been able to tap into some sort of zeitgeist hysteria which affected audiences and had people consider their existential struggles we could have seen a paradigm shift in the human condition and an elevated sense of spiritual succession which could have brought all barriers down between the warring factions of our global society and brought about a divinesque order in our understanding of ourselves and each other.
It's a real shame that the cosmic joker decided to have everyone be deadpan with it
But perhaps that's the joke
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Bobby Tomlinson — 1 year ago(January 16, 2025 07:00 PM)
Well with luck they will hire him as the new EP on Corrie and then it will go completely to the dogs and they will finally just cancel it.
Also should we tell Dazed in this thread about our idea to all pool together for a house on Brookside Close and timeshare it?
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Innocent User — 1 year ago(January 16, 2025 06:03 PM)
I don't think Ridley even knew what Prometheus was about. I watched a making of and listened to the director's commentary. He seemed to think they were making the movie Spaights conceived.
I believe it's why Lindelof refused to write Covenant.
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