Even if he is 17, which many of those things point to - he's not going to adult prison. That's only for 18 and above. He
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laurendorward-990-190608 — 9 years ago(October 24, 2016 09:39 AM)
No offence but I seem to know more than you considering you believe you can work somewhere like that at 14. You cannot work anywhere like that without a national insurance number and you don't get one till you're 16. You were the one who mentioned 14 year olds working in McDonald's not me FYI.
You have to be 17 to start driving, he was still taking his lessons.He wasn't (as it was made clear his life was pretty much that job) at school and you don't finish school till 18.
I am aware most people were confused to his age but it didn't even cross mine that he was younger than 18. 18 year olds look about 12 to me these days anyway lol. -
laurendorward-990-190608 — 9 years ago(November 01, 2016 01:35 AM)
No. You can't. In the UK you cannot start working in a place like McDonald's till your 16. You cannot do a job like that till you have a national insurance number.
There were so many clues as to his age.- He was still learning to drive..Meaning he was over 17. It costs a lot of money to learn in the UK.
- It seemed like it was his full time job meaning he'd have to be over 18.
- The manager (who seemed to look in her 20's) seemed to fancy him. So, unless she was fond of 15 year olds he was an adult.
The whole point is that he looks young enough for some people to question his age.
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JoostinOnline — 9 years ago(October 24, 2016 05:57 AM)
And? What's him not having a driving licence got to do with it? He was learning and you need to be at least 17 to learn.
A 15 year old shouldn't be watching porn or indeed find porn of kids having sex as that is pedophilia and a 15 year old is a child. What a ridiculous notion.
Even if he had sex at 15 and the girl was 15 he could be done for statutory rape.
He was no better than the other men and (as we saw) he was probably the most depraved as he got the worst ending.
Just because he looked young it doesn't make him any less of a predator. In fact he's worse.
I'm not familiar with UK law. You get your permit here at 15, statutory rape isn't possible unless there is like a 3 year difference (otherwise you would both be convicted of it), and most kids have looked at porn by 15.
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laurendorward-990-190608 — 9 years ago(October 24, 2016 07:28 AM)
Kids should not be watching porn at 15. Its just bad parenting.also I never said that, you said he'd be turned on by PORNOGRAPHY involving 15 year olds. This is illegal and made for pedophiles. Tell me how much pornography did you watch as a 15 year old that involved 15 year olds.
There's a massive difference between jerking off to the girl you fancies fb profile and quite another to be actively looking for pornography involving minors. -
PeterMarkoff — 9 years ago(October 28, 2016 02:17 PM)
so kids 15 years old should not be watching porn, but they can have actual sex? because you know she of consent in most of Europe is 15 so you can legally beep whoever you want from 15
also there is nothing illegal about watching porn, it's just illegal to sell it to people younger than 18, but if they obtain it somehow there is nothing illegal about watching it
now watching porn involving under 18 is crime i consider ridiculous and it should depend on circumstances. if 15yo shoot video of sex having with his 15yo gf which is legal then it's crazy that he can be at same time charged with child pornography despite him being one of the actors who performed acts voluntarily -
laurendorward-990-190608 — 9 years ago(November 01, 2016 01:49 AM)
Im not questioning it's legality I question it's influence on young people's minds. Its not healthy.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2016/sep/10/how-porn-is-damaging-our-childrens-future-sex-lives?client=ms-android-hms-vf-gb
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/sex-lies-trauma/201107/effects-porn-adolescent-boys
https://www.protectkids.com/effects/harms.htm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/violent-porn-dangers-posed-to-women/
http://www.teendrugrehabs.com/blog/youths-watch-violent-porn-sexually-aggressive/
Personally, I'd love all traces of pornography to be erased from the Internet. Its a disgusting business that uses and abuses people, but it's even more damaging to teens.
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danavenell — 9 years ago(November 01, 2016 02:09 AM)
Over the last 15 years we have seen an explosion in the availability of porn to adults and teens. Probably a thousand, maybe tens of thousands times as many people regularly watch porn compared to the 80s. If it was harmful we wold have seen a mass of problems associated with it. If it caused rapes, we would be in the middle of a rape epidemic. Yet we are not. Mass consumption of porn has not caused the problems the anti-porn brigade were convinced it causes.
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laurendorward-990-190608 — 9 years ago(November 01, 2016 05:53 AM)
Yet there's been an increase in domestic violence..oh and in colleges and universities there's been an increase in assaults
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/uk-rape-numbers-record-high-threat-cuts-victim-support-public-health-issue-1524139
Psychologists have proven it damages kids minds. read the posts. It is a disgusting business that abuses and extorts everyone involved. -
danavenell — 9 years ago(November 01, 2016 12:53 PM)
From your link
The spike in sex crime is thought to be down to an improvement in crime recording by the police and an increase in the willingness of victims to come forward and report to the police.
Nowhere does it say increased access to porn is a factor. We live in an age where people are much more likely to report rape. Please show any evidence connecting porn to rape.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/all-about-sex/200904/does-pornography-cause-social-harm
Many people feel offended by pornography. Those who find it odious have every right to their opinion.
But some porn-haters declare that X-rated material does more than just disgust them. They contend that it contributes to significant social harm. In The Porn Trap (2008), psychotherapists Wendy and Larry Maltz assert that it's a significant factor in sexual irresponsibility and divorce.
The late feminist activist, Andrea Dworkin, argued that by depicting women as men's willing sexual playthings, porn contributes to rape. Her disciple, Robert Jensen, writes: "pornography alone doesn't make men rape[but] it may activate coercive tendencies." And porn critic Diana Russell argues that porn undermines men's inhibitions against rape and spurs some to commit it.
Strong accusations. But are they true? The advent of Internet porn provides surprising answers.
The Internet became a major force in everyday life in the late 1990s. Before then, porn was available in adult stores, through X-rated video rentals, and on some newsstands. But with the arrival of the Internet, porn availability exploded. It was just a click away 24-7 for free in tens of millions of homes and offices. In 1997, 16 percent of American adults used the Internet regularly. By 2005, the figure had quadrupled to 65 percent. The Internet has also made porn much more available to impressionable kids. How many kids, ages 10 to 17, have viewed Internet porn? According to a recent report in the journal Pediatrics, 42 percent.
If porn is a significant contributor to social harm, we would expect to see substantial increases in sexual irresponsibility, divorce, and rape since the late 1990s when the Internet suddenly made X-rated material much more available to those who might instigate sexual mayhem, overwhelmingly men.
Guess what. Since the arrival of Internet porn:- Sexual irresponsibility has declined. Standard measures include rates of abortion and sexually transmitted infections. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), since 1990, the nation's abortion rate has fallen 41 percent. The syphilis rate has plummeted 74 percent. And the gonorrhea rate has plunged 57 percent.
- Teen sex has declined. The CDC says that since 1991, the proportion of teens who have had intercourse has decreased 7 percent. Teen condom use has increased 16 percent. And the teen birth rate has fallen 33 percent.
- Divorce has declined. Since 1990, the divorce rate has decreased 23 percent.
- Rape has declined. According to the Justice Department's National Crime Victimization Survey, since 1995, the sexual assault rate has fallen 44 percent.
Why would social ills decline as porn becomes more widely available? No one knows. But the one thing porn really causes is masturbation. Internet porn keeps men at home one-handing it. As a result, they're not out in the world acting irresponsibly-or criminally.
I'm not arguing that porn is utterly harmless. Some men consume it so compulsively that it interferes with their lives. They need therapy. Some women become distraught when they discover that the men in their lives enjoy porn. They might benefit from couple therapy. And to the extent that porn is a sex educator, it teaches lovemaking all wrong. More about this in a future post.
But the evidence clearly shows that from a social welfare perspective, porn causes no measurable harm. In fact, as porn viewing has soared, rates of syphilis, gonorrhea, teen sex, teen births, divorce, and rape have all substantially declined. If Internet porn affects society, oddly enough, it looks beneficial. Perhaps mental health professionals should encourage men to view it.
Show me a report where pornography has led to an increase in domestic violence. And you can factor in the fact that 40% of victims of domestic violence are men
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2010/sep/05/men-victims-domestic-violence
Data from Home Office statistical bulletins and the British Crime Survey show that men made up about 40% of domestic violence victims each year between 2004-05 and 2008-09, the last year for which figures are available. In 2006-07 men made up 43.4% of all those who had suffered partner abuse in the previous year, which rose to 45.5% in 2007-08 but fell to 37.7% in 2008-09.
Is that down to porn?
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laurendorward-990-190608 — 9 years ago(November 01, 2016 01:02 PM)
Im not spending my entire night posting excerts as I have better things to do but if you type it into Google you'll see that violence aagainst women, expectations boys expect off girls, low self esteem, social problems, sexual addiction, use of prostitutes etc etc are all factors of pornography. It's a disgusting business and if you are singing it's praises I suggest you take a good look in the mirror. It's filmed prostitution.
https://cyber.harvard.edu/VAW02/mod2-6.htm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/11376283/Does-watching-porn-really-turn-people-into-violent-criminals.html -
danavenell — 9 years ago(November 01, 2016 01:12 PM)
Again, from your own link - do you even read them?
in the USA the worlds biggest consumer of porn rape figures have consistently fallen since 1990, from
41.2 cases per 100,000
to
25 per 100,000 in 2013
, when they fell 10.6 per cent on the previous year.
Internet porn has become massively more widespread since 1990. Women are more likely to report rape than ever. yet rape figures have consistently fallen in quite dramatic numbers (see above) since 1990. The facts are not on your side of the argument, they are on mine.
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laurendorward-990-190608 — 9 years ago(November 02, 2016 01:21 AM)
This isn't just about rape numpty this is about the psychological damage rape does to young minds. That doesn't just mean violence. Though, Statistically one in 5 women will be attacked in some way.And that's good is it? So in the UK alone that's 85,000 women and 12,000 men (reported)
I won't watch porn, neither would I allow a child to watch it..8 year olds watching sites like ghetto gaggers and facial abuse.yeah, great parenting.
It's abhorrent and in time I hope access to it will become far more difficult than it is now.
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laurendorward-990-190608 — 9 years ago(November 02, 2016 07:35 AM)
When did I ever say this to begon with? YOU started this possibly because you read my first post wrong, not saying I don't believe it isn't a major factor for sexual assault though.I said it damages young people's minds and had proof for this.
It is true that college campus attacks have risen, which kinda correlates with the age of the perpetrators and their victims.
It isn't good for teens to be watching porn. It constructs a fantasy in their heads that'll never come true, desensitises the viewer so they want something more graphic to satisfy the urges. Sexual performance is worsened. NOT to mention the effects on the actual performers.
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danavenell — 9 years ago(November 02, 2016 10:24 AM)
It isn't good for teens to be watching porn. It constructs a fantasy in their heads that'll never come true, desensitises the viewer so they want something more graphic to satisfy the urges. Sexual performance is worsened
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laurendorward-990-190608 — 9 years ago(November 02, 2016 10:41 AM)
Read the posts I have put up or look it up yourself. It's not hard there's new reports constantly in the press in it.
Watch the bbc3 documentary on it with typer drew honey, or the documentary by Stacey Dooley. Read the psychiatric report (which you can download) on it.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3196809/It-induces-addiction-makes-men-hopeless-bed-discover-porn-affect-BRAIN.html
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/amp.livescience.com/52469-how-porn-affects-brains.html?client=ms-android-hms-vf-gb
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/03/14/watching-pornography-damages-mens-brains/
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5450478
This isn't even including the dangers the actual performers are in, or why they are doing it in the 1st place. Watching a documentary like hot girls wanted or Louis Theroux's weird weekends gives an insight into how messed up these people become psychologically and physically.
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danavenell — 9 years ago(November 02, 2016 11:01 AM)
I have a partner thanks. We both enjoy porn. I have two exes who do porn. Both are very happy in the profession, they are natural exhibitionists. Those who find working in porn problematic should leave and find a different profession.
The Daily Mail is scare-mongering junk and cannot be trusted for any scientific objectivity. And Stacey Dooley is a moron (although one of my exes who do porn, the welsh wheelchair one, was on one of her shows).
From your Telegraph link
For the study, Dr Kuhn and her colleague Jurgen Gallinat from Charite University, also in Berlin, recruited 64 healthy men between the ages of 21 and 45 years and asked them questions about their porn-watching habits.
They also took images of the mens brains to measure volume and to see how their brains reacted to pornographic pictures.
They found noticeable differences in the men who abstained compared with those who regularly accessed sexual videos or images.
However other researchers claimed that pornography in moderation was probably not damaging.
Everything is going to be bad in excess and its probably not terrible in moderation, Dr Gregory Tau of the Columbia University
From your LiveScience link
Problem or not?
Is pornography use an unhealthy addiction that ruins men for relationships, or a healthy sexual outlet that both men and women enjoy? How people answer may affect whether they are harmed by porn. A study in the September issue of the journal Psychology of Addictive Behavior found that it was the perception of being "addicted to porn," rather than the intensity of porn use per se, that was tied with psychological distress.
And contrary to the notion that pornography fuels misogyny, men who viewed porn tended to hold more egalitarian views about women than did non-porn-using men. Frequent porn users view powerful women, working women and women who have had abortions more favorably than do other men, a study published in August in the Journal of Sex Research found.
The HuffPo article is about children watching porn. I do not believe children should be watching porn.
Now I have given you several experts who say that porn is not harmful and has not led to a rise in rapes, teenage pregnancies, and a whole host of other problems, and in fact the rise in porn-watching has seen such behaviour fall dramatically - and you have chosen to ignore it all. You have a faith-based belief that porn is bad, and you can't argue with someone who ignores evidence when it contradicts their faith-based belief.
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laurendorward-990-190608 — 9 years ago(November 02, 2016 12:00 PM)
Now I understand. You are totally biased, you are taking little excepts and using them for your own argument yet not looking at the whole article. I hope you can live with yourself and the knowledge you were in relationships with prostitutes.
P.s get tested as stds are rife in pornography
If Stacey Dooley is a moron. what are you?
http://www.covenanteyes.com/2008/10/28/ex-porn-star-tells-the-truth-about-the-porn-industry/ -
Movie_Guy79 — 9 years ago(October 22, 2016 04:58 PM)
What bothered me the most was that some some random "trolls" were the ones meeting out "justice". Thats why we have courts.
As for sympathy, I felt more sympathetic to the guy who played Bron from GOT - all he did was cheat on his spouse. Sure, that isn't an admirable trait but there is a reason that adultery is not punishable by death (at least in Western countries).