From various articles/rumours etc it sounded like Orcis script (which he was going to direct) was going to be very 'Star
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bottleshock34 — 9 years ago(April 12, 2016 01:25 PM)
It's happened before where the original script was better than the new script example jack ryan shadow recruit another paramount film. Who ever is making these choices really needs to be fired from paramount especially if orci script turns out better than peggs. (Not that pegg can't write a good script it's just he practically had no time too)
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HetaAnma — 9 years ago(April 12, 2016 02:13 PM)
The problem is, Orci's movie sounded like it would be about 1,000 times better than the horrid trailers we have gotten for STB so far. It would have also been a final way to pay tribute to the different Treks during the 50th instead of whatever this thing is we are seeing.
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bozo_500 — 9 years ago(April 13, 2016 04:29 AM)
agreed. I think what was rumoured at the time was the way to go for the 50th
Orci himself has said it was the only story he wanted to do for ST3 but Paramount obviously didn't feel that way:
"They brought [Justin Lin] in to start over because I was only willing and able to tell the story we had generated
"We wrote a two drafts of a script, but when it made it to the top and was rejected, we did a hail mary version of a new story in two weeks, but I knew it was a lost cause and not what I wnated to do. Was just trying to be a good soldier and not give up, but it became obvious that I needed to walk away or suffer for two years. Really, we submitted one story that I believed in."
http://trekmovie.com/2016/04/11/coming-onto-trek-a-rescue-mission-says-beyond-director-justin-lin-how-beyond-will-honor-leonard-nimoy-lins-hope-for-trek-on-tv/ -
biscottisrdj — 9 years ago(April 13, 2016 02:15 PM)
That's saying a lot but I'm just happy we're at least getting another Star Trek movie. I would have liked to have seen what Orci would have done with it, but I think Beyond will be cool. I definitely agree with the earlier comment that it is bringing to mind Generations and Insurrection. Insurrection was actually the first Trek movie that came to mind when we saw the first trailer.
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bozo_500 — 9 years ago(April 14, 2016 02:46 AM)
-had JJ not been persuaded to do SW7 (after Brad Bird passed as was doing Tomorrowland) hed have more than likely directed Trek3 and if so its reasonable to assume he would he have gone with/backed Orcis script. completing the JJ/Orci Trek trilogy (like Nolan/Goyer Bat trilogy)
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biscottisrdj — 9 years ago(April 14, 2016 06:35 AM)
Absolutely. Imagine a Brad Bird directed Star Trek though That'd be cool.
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bozo_500 — 9 years ago(April 19, 2016 05:33 AM)
STB isn't a trilogy wrap up
http://trekmovie.com/2016/04/18/not-the-end-could-nutrek-franchise-go-from-star-trek-beyond-to-infinity/
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!!!deleted!!! (19664510) — 9 years ago(April 22, 2016 07:33 PM)
Orci's movie sounded like it would be about 1,000 times better than the horrid trailers
No info about Orci's movie was ever released, so that's a rather groundless statementand I say that as someone who agrees with you about the BEYOND trailer being horrid. Plus, Orci is a pretty weak writer. -
bozo_500 — 9 years ago(June 17, 2016 03:29 AM)
pine talks orci's Trek3, the 2 Kirks meeting:
When JJ Abrams rebooted the Star Trek movie universe in 2009, he created an alternate timeline, allowing the events of previous films to still exist and for Leonard Nimoy's Spock to interact with his younger self. This led to the question of whether we'd ever see Chris Pine's Captain James T. Kirk encounter an older version of himself. You know - the one played by William Shatner.
"At this point theres been so much built up about this potential portentous meeting between the two Kirks," Pine says in an interview in the latest issue of SFX. He's not wrong.
Before cameras started rolling on the third chapter, Star Trek Beyond, word began circulating about an early script draft that included Shatner's Kirk. This was part of original director Roberto Orci's plan, but once he left and Justin Lin stepped in to direct things changed. Co-writer Simon Pegg came aboard to rewrite the screenplay with Doug Jung, and the idea of bringing the two versions together was axed.
If that draft had made it to production, Pine believes having two Kirks onscreen would override discussion about the actual movie itself. "It would just become about that," he adds. "The movie cant become about that. The movie has to be about whatever story were trying to tell. Itd be fun, itd be kitschy, itd be a great piece for you guys to talk about, and for late-night TV, but above and beyond that I dont know what it serves for our storytelling purposes, you know?"
http://www.gamesradar.com/this-is-why-you-wont-see-william-shatner-and-chris-pine-in-a-star-trek-movie-together/
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bozo_500 — 9 years ago(June 18, 2016 05:12 AM)
-interesting rumour
If the rumors were true for Orchis script of Kirk n crew, vulcsns, & 3rd alien race all racing to obtain a time travel device so vulcans could stop the destruction of their planet by Nero that script sounded very poor even worse than STID. A gimmick w Nimoy n Shatner meeting their counter parts couldn't save that Was very happy to hear studio thought same n changed
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bozo_500 — 9 years ago(July 18, 2016 11:51 AM)
maybe Orcis ST3 will now be the George Kirk thing
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bozo_500 — 9 years ago(August 03, 2016 07:40 AM)
orci confirms his ST3 plot
Chase for doohickey against Annunaki to reset back to prime timeline. Theme: The Last temptation of Kirk And Spock
https://twitter.com/realboborci/status/760638759738028032?lang=en-gb
It's the temptation. Restore Vulcan, Kirks Father, and Spock's mother? Or play the hand they are dealt?
https://twitter.com/realboborci/status/760928061621620737?lang=en-gb
Only with help of Prime Kirk, who they meet on the adventure, can they solve the dilemma.
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ratatatuff — 9 years ago(April 21, 2016 02:30 PM)
I read ST novels. But I'm not interested in a novel to Orcis script. Alan Dean Foster wrote the last two novelizations and most likely would be asked to write this one as well. Now, Foster is certainly a good writer and I liked his Humanx Commonwealth. But the plot to this one would still be Orci's and Abrams' and I really don't care about that crap.
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politicidal — 9 years ago(April 21, 2016 04:21 PM)
I think I flagged you by accident;my apologies. As for Orci, I'm sure it'd turn out to be some whacked out conspiracy theory fueled polemic.
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bozo_500 — 9 years ago(October 30, 2016 03:34 PM)
can't help but think they'd have been better off doing whatever Orci had cooked up for 3. The underling theme of the first film was about the altering of the timeline and the changes it created, the 2nd continued it and was about the prime timeline sort of seeping back into this new one (blowing up at the end) albeit with different outcomes.. maybe the 3rd should've been about an attempted restoration of the prime timeline and all that would involve (so it'd be a sort of 'timeline trilogy' dealing with the altering of the timeline and everything it brings about, like the BTTF trilogy was a timeline trilogy) Not veering off into this unrelated standalone 'TOS fanfiction.' (calling it 'Beyond' as if it was beyond all that timeline malarkey to instead do a TOS episode writ large) It sounds like if there is to be a 4th it will be what 3 should've been with the same writers (time travel/alt timeline, but looks to be Hemsworth instead of Shatner) in which case STB would be like if TFF had come in between TSFS and TVH.. (as it was TFF was still a unrelated 'standalone' movie between TVH and the more connected TUC, not really anything to do with 2346 at all.)
I bet if JJA had stayed on as director (with Matthew Vaughan or even Spielberg directing TFA) hed have done the Orci 3