Beastie Boys scene killed it for me
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beat — 9 years ago(November 13, 2016 12:53 PM)
It was, without a doubt, the most stupid "kill the Aliens with a trick" scene in the history of cinema. From this moment forward nobody may ever complain about the computer virus in "independence day" again.
the problem was not what it was, but how it was done. just look at "mars attacks!", where the same thing was used in a hilarious and fitting fashion. -
brch2 — 9 years ago(August 18, 2016 10:57 AM)
Would you be able to concentrate with that blasting through your speakers while having to fly in a very tight formation in an attack? And broadcasting on the frequency they were using for their computers to maintain all of that is just scrambling the signal, something that has been done for years to interrupt military radios and their abilities to coordinate attacks. So what's the problem? They came up with one of the least contrived methods ever to solve a crisis. And if you consider the fact it's far from the first time Trek has made jokes showing their views of our present are distorted by then (like ours are of our past), and that their tastes are not what our mainstream tastes would be, it's actually a reasonable scene. Frankly, I'm just glad they haven't started to resort to making some new modification to the deflector dish (or weapons systems, or any other over contrived use of their basic systems) to solve everything already.
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Foot_of_Davros — 9 years ago(August 19, 2016 01:45 AM)
Would you be able to concentrate with that blasting through your speakers while having to fly in a very tight formation in an attack? And broadcasting on the frequency they were using for their computers to maintain all of that is just scrambling the signal, something that has been done for years to interrupt military radios and their abilities to coordinate attacks. So what's the problem?
You've just given the problem in your two preceding sentences here- It is pretty much impossible that there could have been any music "blasting" anywhere other than the bridge of the Franklin.
- As you pointed out, they broadcast on the same frequency to "scramble" communication within the swarm - that would be by wave interference. So even in the hugely unlikely event that they were receiving verbal directional instructions on an analogue transmission (!),
both
transmissions would be subject to interference
In other words, they came up with nonsense simply because it played out as a "cool" scene, with Sabotage blaring out as ships exploded everywhere!
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TRinzler — 9 years ago(August 19, 2016 01:56 AM)
I don't see how these are problems? We discussed this already in another thread. There was no need to play the music on the bridge but it was included for dramatic effect.
Unfortunately, as you mentioned in your thread, this part has confused so many people that I am starting to wonder if the writers were confused too!
I actually like the scene because of Spock's improvised hijack of their collision avoidance. I think you can appreciate this better once you understand swarm dynamics.
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Foot_of_Davros — 9 years ago(August 19, 2016 02:28 AM)
Yeah, I know we discussed on the other thread - and yes, as I said there as well, I did find it enjoyable, as a spectacle, whilst watching. I was only really replying in order to point out the misunderstanding in brch2's post in terms of a "least contrived method"
I am starting to wonder if the writers were confused too!
It's funny you said that - either yes they were, or (and no one on my thread actually discussed this, but it was my original thought) it was a deliberate, subtle, joke at the expense at those complaining the reboots weren't "cerebral" / Star Trek-ish enough.
I think you can appreciate this better once you understand swarm dynamics.
Ha - It's not that I don't understand your take on it, its just that I preferred to think of another method being used for collision avoidance (I don't know - proximity sensors of some other kind - maybe cameras / "artificial eye") rather than thousands of overlapping communication transmissions, which would just make the Franklin's one additional transmission completely redundant.
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TRinzler — 9 years ago(August 19, 2016 02:48 AM)
It's funny you said that - either yes they were, or (and no one on my thread actually discussed this, but it was my original thought) it was a deliberate, subtle, joke at the expense at those complaining the reboots weren't "cerebral" / Star Trek-ish enough
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imaintdan — 9 years ago(August 18, 2016 09:25 PM)
Itworks for me. But I can get others finding it too much.
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martytamu27 — 9 years ago(August 19, 2016 12:15 PM)
Agreean d calling it classical music? dumb dumb dumb.
if you played the scene on its own, it would have made a nice music video maybe.
but it was beyond dumb and stupid to interject it into a star trek film and use it to save all mankind. they had been setting it up the whole flick though when they showed the alien girl listening to it in the ship she found or whatever -
imaintdan — 9 years ago(August 20, 2016 06:43 AM)
Why's the classical music bit dumb?
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martytamu27 — 9 years ago(August 20, 2016 09:07 AM)
Cause classical music will always be classical music. Beastie boys will never be called classical music no matter how far in the future one goes. In 200 years why would the works of Bach and Mozart have become lost and teplaced with something that doesn't even resemble classical on any form? It's been 200 years or more now and classical is still classical. We don't call music from the 20s classical now and never will. Why would we in a mere 200 years more?
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martytamu27 — 9 years ago(August 20, 2016 01:17 PM)
No it's not. Your just using a literal definition. Classical is a genre that transcends it's literal meaning. Beastie boys 200 years from now will be defined by an era. Like music from the 20s or 50s or 80s has. Or the 70s. All bygone eras, but they're not defined as classical.
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xDracavelix — 9 years ago(August 21, 2016 09:14 AM)
The specific definition of classical music is from the 1750-1830s emerging from the Renaissance era. There are college courses specifically for this genre of music and period in world history.
I doubt the teachings at starfleet academy would change standard education of periods in history just because another genre of music is old. (Beastie boys being rap)
Bar fights, motorcycles..rap music this is a far departure from star trek TV series at least.
Maybe I've become accustomed to Picard/Janeway portrayals of strict protocols aboard a starship. These films are decent in their own unique way. Just not what I've come to expect after watching DS9, TNG & voyager. -
brch2 — 9 years ago(August 25, 2016 04:57 PM)
What was called Rock n' Roll in the '80s and before is already called Classic Rock. We don't know what they'll call any ere/genre of music until we get there.
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zoltan42 — 9 years ago(August 20, 2016 10:55 AM)
The reference to it as classical reminded me of the "Ah, the `Giants'" scene in Star Trek IV. It was clearly a joke about what things from the past filtered through to their present time after the turmoils in between those time eras, such as the world war the predated First Contact.
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martytamu27 — 9 years ago(August 20, 2016 01:19 PM)
If in the future the works stephanie Meyer and her pen name that wrote fifty shades of grey created are Giants of literature then civikization will have come to an end and anyone capable of inventing warp drive will no longer Exist and interstellar travel will not eirher