Why DC gets so much hate
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Kmadden2004 — 9 years ago(January 15, 2017 02:58 PM)
Isn't it funny how quickly the defenders like to try and smack down the MCU without provocation?
It's almost as if it's their
only
means of defence.
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erichwiese61 — 9 years ago(January 15, 2017 10:05 PM)
This is to all marvel fanboys trying to say something on this thread. Please dont because nonone cares. We are not bothering you on your disney loony tunes and avengers threads. So please dont waste your time trying to prove a point. All i want to know is why dc gets so much hate from a nuetral perspective. Dc and marvel have exactly the same issues but it feels like if one is watching a marvel film one is watching to see the good. But when watching a DC film one is watching to see the bad. So please dont get offended when i am mentioning the MCU. Just relax or leave
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CichlidAsh — 9 years ago(January 15, 2017 12:11 PM)
I agree to a degree but it is only a degree. We have examples of how good these heroes can be in a film with Batman and Superman so they do have standards to live up to, when they fail to live up to the standards of past films then it is more obvious that things are lacking. However the key thing here is that they are failing to reach the standard set by past films some of these films are nearly forty years old and so making a film that is so clearly inferior is not really acceptable. Still other major issues exist with BvS than just having to live up to old movie standards.
MCU movies do not get so much praise because they don't have old movies to compare them too they are still judged against the standard set by other CBM, why the get better praise than the DCEU movies is because they as a whole tend to be a better production and don't fall into the same pitfalls as the likes of BvS and SS do. Still the quality of MCU movies does vary and by quite a margin at times but they still manage to always present a movie that is entertaining enough even if not always great.
To make a great film you need three things - the script, the script and the script -Alfred Hitchcock -
Kmadden2004 — 9 years ago(January 15, 2017 12:48 PM)
I think that only carries the criticisms so far. For example, people still love
Batman Begins
and Tim Burton's
Batman
equally, some even like Nolan's film more than Burton's. Why? Because they're both good movies, independent of one another.
Likewise, when
MoS
was announced and Cavill was cast, people were ready for a new take on the character. People were
asking
for a new take on the character. Not a
Returns
-esque soft reboot/semi-sequel, but a clean slate. But when this new take comes along and doesn't work for some audiences, the only frame of reference quite a few of those people have to really explain
why
they didn't like it is the Reeve version. That doesn't mean that they're too married to the old version of the character, that just means that that's the version more readily available to them to help illustrate their points.
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!!!deleted!!! (69989714) — 9 years ago(January 16, 2017 08:59 PM)
Exactly. I can accept a more darker superman film than the past films but the reasons why the new take doesnt work is because of these reasons.
- They went way too far in making superman dour.
- The changes arent executed well.
- The snyder films are filled with tons of major issues, unlike nolans.
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MydnightRose — 9 years ago(January 15, 2017 01:12 PM)
That's definitely a big reason for Snyder's Superman and proba ly his Batman, how many critics hated MOS by comparing it to Reeves?
But there is nothing in SS that has to do with nostalgia except maybe Joker.- BVS 2. TWS 3. Avengers
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djtenacity — 9 years ago(January 15, 2017 01:19 PM)
MCU Spider-Man sure got a lot of praise in Civil War, and he's a character we've seen on the big screen numerous times. The differences is the way he was handled, and the way the world he was portrayed in was handled.
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WeirdRaptor — 9 years ago(January 15, 2017 08:10 PM)
erichwiese, your argument is moronic at best and you should feel ashamed. So by your logic, any new iteration of a work that has already had an adaptation is automatically judged a million times more harshly than works just now getting a big screen adaptation? That's moronic! By your argument, the Nolan films should have been super hates, too, because of the Burton films.
No, the MCU is more popular because its better. Sorry if you can't live with that. And no, the MCU does not share the same problems as the DCEU. The DCEU is just a poorly written mess.
"All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to you." -Gandalf -
erichwiese61 — 9 years ago(January 15, 2017 10:08 PM)
This is to all marvel fanboys trying to say something on this thread. Please dont because nonone cares. We are not bothering you on your disney loony tunes and avengers threads. So please dont waste your time trying to prove a point. All i want to know is why dc gets so much hate from a nuetral perspective. Dc and marvel have exactly the same issues but it feels like if one is watching a marvel film one is watching to see the good. But when watching a DC film one is watching to see the bad. So please dont get offended when i am mentioning the MCU. Just relax or leave
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CichlidAsh — 9 years ago(January 15, 2017 11:23 PM)
We are not bothering you on your disney loony tunes and avengers threads
I would guess that the Disney loony tunes part was intended as some sort of insult yet Looney tunes is actually Warner Bros. DC fans also often are seen on Marvel threads trying to provoke Marvel fans. Still whatever don't let a failed attempt at an insult and a lie distract us too much from the topic.
Why are they awful movies? Plot holes? Bad CGI? Bad writing? Weak villians? Everything the MCU also have?
What has that got to do with anything it would not matter even if it was true that all these elements are present in the MCU it does not give the DCEU an excuse for them to exist in its movies does it?
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WeirdRaptor — 9 years ago(January 16, 2017 03:32 PM)
- I WAS A DC FAN LONG BEFORE I WAS A MARVEL FAN.
- "leave". beep you, you stupid son of a bitch. This is not a fan forum and you do not get to tell me where I can and cannot go.
- There are no neutral perspectives, ever.
- No, Marvel shares absolutely none of the same issues as DC. You watch Marvel films to see good movies, you watch DC films to see how they'll screw it up this time.
- "We are not bothering you on your disney loony tunes and avengers threads." You've clearly not been paying attention to all the Snyder and Nolan fanboys we are constantly bombarded with. Of course, I wouldn't expect someone with tunnel vision like you to notice.
- Go to Hell.
"All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to you." -Gandalf
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CaptainBatman — 9 years ago(January 15, 2017 09:33 PM)
I think that's some of it. I also think it has a lot to do with expectations. Sometimes the films have hype that they will never be able to match (BVS WILL BE THE GREATEST MOVIE EVER). Other times the films look to be marketed one way while the actual film is far off from what it is (BVS DD trailer being full of action, actual movie has only like 30 minutes in 2 and 1/2 hours).
And the main factor, and I say this as the biggest defender of BVS (one of my favorite CBMs of all time) and MOS, sometimes the films simply aren't good to many people. Whether it be the characterizations, the editing, the tone, the cohesion of the narrative, etc, some people just don't like these films and that's okay. Because what makes film awesome is differing opinions. -
CaptainBatman — 9 years ago(January 16, 2017 05:22 PM)
Oh good, you're back.
Also, what I meant with "film is awesome because of different opinions", was more relating to the discussion aspect of the movies. Different opinions create interesting and fun conversation.