Martha!
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Ramboman24 — 9 years ago(January 08, 2017 04:53 PM)
Yes it does, what does not make sense if having the same mother name changing that philosophy.
And now were back to the "Martha" thing. I've already been over the fact that this moment helped Batman realize how cynical he was being. Following through with his philosophy one minute doesn't mean that he can't have something happen that changes his mind about trusting Superman another.
It was him going from cynical and apprehensive to optimistic and trusting.
Characters are allowed to change their minds. That's what makes people human
Oh do tell me when did he create the Justice League? You seem to have watched a very different film to us all again.
He began to plant the seeds of creating a JL at the end of the film it's hinted and it's now confirmed that he is indeed the one that will be responsible for creating the JL.
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Ramboman24 — 9 years ago(January 08, 2017 04:01 PM)
I am sure that by the same measure Lex motivations you should also believe made for him actually being a good guy because he believed in what he was doing is also for the greater good.
And no, not at all.
Abducting an innocent woman to manipulate someone is just flat out wrong. Once you get to know Lex, you can see he's a twisted man doing what he does because he's a psychopath.
The whole philosophy thing only works when that's the ONLY reason you want to kill Superman and you plan to do it In an honorable way. Sure, Lex may have had a point about people fearing Superman, but the way he went about taking out Superman showed his ugly side. Also didn't agree with the fact that he framed Superman.
So I gave my answers perhaps you can give the reasons why you think Batman is not a violent murder and is so heroic (using only what is shown in the DCEU films).
The difference is that I was able to counter your straw man arguments and point out that Batman is pretty much a vigilante who only takes out bad guys. Just because he kills bad guys doesn't take away from the heroic things he does. If he was a killer that got pleasure out of killing innocent people then he'd be evil. But he doesn't
. That's why your arguments don't hold up.
Answer this how will you counter MY points that he IS heroic?- When he shows great concern for his employees at the start of his movie, personally speeds over to ground zero to surveil the area and runs into the rubble while everyone else is cowering away to see if he can help. Ends up saving a little girl
Can't counter that one - Continues to show how much he cared about his employees that died throughout the rest of the film.
- Decides not to kill Superman once he gets a strong enough sense to trust his instincts that Superman is indeed GOOD. If he's as evil as you say, he should've just killed Superman for the hell of it
- Goes out of his way to rescue Martha Kent (AN INNOCENT WOMAN) Go ahead and debunk that one. If he's as sadistic as you seem to think he is, he should have raped and killed her when he got the chance
That is, after branding her first. - Sticks around the battle zone of an insanely overpowered Doomsday that could squash him in seconds and helps out whichever way he could when he could've just cowered away. Why does he care about taking out Doomsday hmm must be because he's heroic and Doomsday poses a threat to the world. Counter that one
- Decides to create a JL with Wonder Woman to PROTECT HUMANITY. Or are you going to say that he's going to form the JL so he can just kill and enslave everyone?
As you can see, my arguments aren't straw man because they can't be refuted. Yours can, because you're putting a spin on things that happen in the film to try and twist a character into something they aren't.
The Pact
- When he shows great concern for his employees at the start of his movie, personally speeds over to ground zero to surveil the area and runs into the rubble while everyone else is cowering away to see if he can help. Ends up saving a little girl
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WeWonTheWar — 9 years ago(January 06, 2017 03:47 AM)
What is actually laughable is the fact that the DC Zealots think that people don't get what Snyder was aiming for with the Martha scene but just reject it because they know that the result of "Martha" was stupid and the effect was totally unrealistic. WE GET WHAT THE SCENE WAS MEANT TO MEAN it just does not work and so becomes one of the most funny scenes in cinema ever because of that.
^^^ This!
DC fanturds refuse to accept how beep dumb that scene looks is and continue trying to rationalize it like that's everyone's main problem.
Newsflash- It's horribly written and was the No.1 comedy moment in cinema for 2016!
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Ramboman24 — 9 years ago(January 06, 2017 03:49 AM)
Oh hey look one Marvel zealot agreeing with another Marvel zealot.
Who'dve thought?
and continue trying to rationalize it like that's everyone's main problem with it.
I'm not the one creating threads asking for people to explain the scene
Make up your OWN mind. Don't be a follower.
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Ramboman24 — 9 years ago(January 06, 2017 04:16 AM)
Iron Turd 3 is garbage too.
Iron Man (2008) is the only great Marvel movie imo.
Nothing they've done has come close since.
Winter Soldier had cool action scenes.. but Cap is boring. Avengers introduced all the "kiddieness" into the MCU. Downhill ever since.
Make up your OWN mind. Don't be a follower.
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Ramboman24 — 9 years ago(January 06, 2017 04:27 AM)
I would've rathered a real Iron Man trilogy rather than an entire Universe with childish Iron Man sequels.
Honestly, I'm not huge on the shared Universe idea. Would've honestly rather got a Superman trilogy.
Make up your OWN mind. Don't be a follower.
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WeWonTheWar — 9 years ago(January 06, 2017 04:29 AM)
IMO, TWS is one of the best superhero movies ever made. I think it's the one MCU movie that should appeal to hardcore DC fans. What is "kiddy" about it? Methinks you're letting your bias cloud your thoughts.
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Ramboman24 — 9 years ago(January 06, 2017 05:05 AM)
It's not kiddie. I like that Winter Soldier was more serious like Iron Man except Cap is just such a boring character compared to Iron Man which is ultimately, why I think Iron Man is the much better movie.
Make up your OWN mind. Don't be a follower.
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CichlidAsh — 9 years ago(January 06, 2017 04:55 AM)
Let's talk about which Marvel movies suck. Which ones do you hate?
No lets not derail the topic and turn it into something Marvel instead if you wish to talk about this then start a topic about it Rambo and I will gladly talk about it on it with you but can we keep this one on topic please?
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Ramboman24 — 9 years ago(January 06, 2017 05:06 AM)
I didn't derail the topic.
I'm the only one that's actually chatting to you about your OP. Still waiting for a reply actually
Make up your OWN mind. Don't be a follower.
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tjlamb0518 — 9 years ago(January 06, 2017 06:37 AM)
Actually, his initial topic was about Batman and his motivations vis-a-vis Superman and why his mother fatored into this.
You posted asking about Marvel movies. Another studio using characters from another company set in another universe. how is that NOT derailing the topic?
Stop deflecting and actually talk about the the point raised in the thread. If you want to talk about Marvel movies (something DC Zealots seem to do a lot, which is ironic), visit their boards.