Martha!
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Ramboman24 — 9 years ago(January 08, 2017 03:54 PM)
Oh sure, because saving Superman's mother and helping to destroy Doomsday isn't heroic. Neither is creating a JL tard.
I said terrorist believe in what they are doing but that does not make them right or good. I am sure that by the same measure Lex motivations you should also believe made for him actually being a good guy because he believed in what he was doing is also for the greater good.
Terrorists kill for religion which is stupid because it's a radicalized version of their religion anyways. It's an even bigger pile of BS than the original religion it derives from.
Batman's philosophy about one man having too much power makes sense. And Batman doesn't know Superman the way we do. It's like if an alien came to our earth with incredible powers, even if he said he was good, I'd be skeptical of trusting someone more powerful than myself and would probably fear that alien.
Never said it's 100% right what Batman is doing, it's definitely a morally grey area but it makes sense.
And that sir, Is why I like DC movies. They make you think
And btw in the end, Batman doesn't even kill Superman.
Dumbass.
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CichlidAsh — 9 years ago(January 08, 2017 04:29 PM)
Oh sure, because saving Superman's mother and helping to destroy Doomsday isn't heroic. Neither is creating a JL tard.
Of course if Batman was not so compliant in the first place with Lex plans or was not trying to kill Superman because reasons Lex would not have kidnapped Martha in the first place so I don't see that as being so heroic as you do because its largely Batman fault that Martha was kidnapped in the first place.
Batman just $hat his pants when Doomsday turned up his contribution to the fight was minimal out of the three heroes. Again Doomsday creation is partly Batmans fault anyway but not as much as Superman really given that instead of stopping Doomsday creation he decides to strike up a conversation with Lex instead.
Batman's philosophy about one man having too much power makes sense
Yes it does, what does not make sense if having the same mother name changing that philosophy.
. Neither is creating a JL
Oh do tell me when did he create the Justice League? You seem to have watched a very different film to us all again.
tard.
You triggered again Rambo?
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Ramboman24 — 9 years ago(January 08, 2017 04:50 PM)
Of course if Batman was not so compliant in the first place with Lex plans or was not trying to kill Superman because reasons Lex would not have kidnapped Martha in the first place so I don't see that as being so heroic as you do because its largely Batman fault that Martha was kidnapped in the first place.
omg more straw man. That's an indirect consequence of Batman's actions but it was never his intention so that doesn't make him evil. In the comics, Robin gets killed because Batman takes a young kid under his wing as a crime fighter.
God damn you're whiney.
Batman just $hat his pants when Doomsday turned up his contribution to the fight was minimal out of the three heroes. Again Doomsday creation is partly Batmans fault anyway but not as much as Superman really given that instead of stopping Doomsday creation he decides to strike up a conversation with Lex instead.
Everything is the heroes fault. Didn't see you complaining about Tony Stark ACTUALLY creating Ultron himself lol. Marveltard.
Batman doesn't confront Doomsday face to face because he isn't retarded. He still stuck around within a close enough radius that he "Could've" been killed but it was far less likely. It's called being brave without being retarded..
You triggered again Rambo?
Nope that's just what I call moron's that never give up on continuous straw man arguments.
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CichlidAsh — 9 years ago(January 08, 2017 05:02 PM)
Everything is the heroes fault.Everything is the heroes fault. Didn't see you complaining about Tony Stark ACTUALLY creating Ultron himself lol. Marveltard.
While not blaming the heroes themselves you can not deny that they were a contributing factor to all this situations Superman could have prevented Doomsday birth cycle from completing but instead chose to strike up a conversation with Lex or are you going to deny this?
Everything is the heroes fault. Didn't see you complaining about Tony Stark ACTUALLY creating Ultron himself lol. Marveltard.
Are you really this stupid well we all know the answer to this question. However please explain to everyone why I would be complaining about Tony Stark creating Ultron on the BvS board I am really interested in your logic behind that thinking. Also again please show me one time I have ever defended a bad Marvel movie just once, you can not because I am not a huge Marvel fan you daft twat the clue to what franchise I would align myself to is in my bio.
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Ramboman24 — 9 years ago(January 08, 2017 05:07 PM)
While not blaming the heroes themselves you can not deny that they were a contributing factor to all this situations Superman could have prevented Doomsday birth cycle from completing but instead chose to strike up a conversation with Lex or are you going to deny this?
Yes, yes.. Spider-man could've prevented Gwen Stacey's death I get what you're saying but that's just superhero comics for you.
Are you really this stupid well we all know the answer to this question. However please explain to everyone why I would be complaining about Tony Stark creating Ultron on the BvS board I am really interested in your logic behind that thinking. Also again please show me one time I have ever defended a bad Marvel movie just once, you can not because I am not a huge Marvel fan you daft twat the clue to what franchise I would align myself to is in my bio.
Well all you ever do is rag on DC movies and then sing nothing but praise when you talk about MArvel and I have seen you talk about Marvel multiple times on this board so don't pretend it's not something you do.
As I said before, you can deny being a Marveltard all you want. I know what you are and that's all that matters
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CichlidAsh — 9 years ago(January 08, 2017 11:33 PM)
Yes, yes.. Spider-man could've prevented Gwen Stacey's death I get what you're saying but that's just superhero comics for you.
Spider-Man was in this film? Now your really can not talk about anything without referring to Marvel can you? You seem totally obsessed with Marvel. I would hate to break it to you but this is a CBM forum not a comic book one and while the two are related there is a huge difference between the two and the audiences for each. I enjoy CBM yet I have very little interest in comics and while I know that CBM are inspired by comics I do believe most of the stories and interpretations are different. I can not really comment on comic books though as I don't read them and have not since The Watchmen first came out. If you want to talk about comics I really and not the person to be talking about but if you want to push me on which franchise made the best comics then I would tell you that The Watchmen is the only comic I would ever have rated and as a kid I would most likely have chose a Beano over any superhero one although I did read Thing 2 in 1 for a short time, but that's it for my comic book knowledge.
Well all you ever do is rag on DC movies and then sing nothing but praise when you talk about MArvel and I have seen you talk about Marvel multiple times on this board so don't pretend it's not something you do.
This is a lie I love Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, like Superman and love Superman II, so when I rag on a DC movie it is normally one of the DCEU movies so what I am actually doing is ragging on a bad movie not DC. Most of the time when I speak about Marvel it is usually in response to some DCEU trying to tout some complete nonsense about the DCEU box office beating the MCU or some such. Still I like Marvel movies simply because I like good movies and I found say Doctor Strange to be clearly a much more enjoyable movie than say Suicide Squad. What you need to do Rambo is learn the difference between someone who is genuinely invested in a franchise like you are with DC and someone who just likes good CBM and does not actually care which franchise they come from. Still please give just one example just one where I defend a bad marvel movie. Hell if you want start a topic on it and I will tell you which Marvel movies I like and dislike if you want.
Well all you ever do is rag on DC movies and then sing nothing but praise when you talk about MArvel and I have seen you talk about Marvel multiple times on this board so don't pretend it's not something you do.
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Ramboman24 — 9 years ago(January 09, 2017 03:20 AM)
This is a lie I love Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, like Superman and love Superman II, so when I rag on a DC movie it is normally one of the DCEU movies so what I am actually doing is ragging on a bad movie not DC. Most of the time when I speak about Marvel it is usually in response to some DCEU trying to tout some complete nonsense about the DCEU box office beating the MCU or some such. Still I like Marvel movies simply because I like good movies and I found say Doctor Strange to be clearly a much more enjoyable movie than say Suicide Squad. What you need to do Rambo is learn the difference between someone who is genuinely invested in a franchise like you are with DC and someone who just likes good CBM and does not actually care which franchise they come from. Still please give just one example just one where I defend a bad marvel movie. Hell if you want start a topic on it and I will tell you which Marvel movies I like and dislike if you want.
Haha thing is, I'm not the type of fan of the DCEU you think I am. I pretty much told you I'm ignoring Suicide Squad's existence.
Same thing if I was an MCU fan. I'd definitely trim out the fat of all the bad movies in the MCU. Some of them definitely aren't necessary.
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Ramboman24 — 9 years ago(January 08, 2017 04:53 PM)
Yes it does, what does not make sense if having the same mother name changing that philosophy.
And now were back to the "Martha" thing. I've already been over the fact that this moment helped Batman realize how cynical he was being. Following through with his philosophy one minute doesn't mean that he can't have something happen that changes his mind about trusting Superman another.
It was him going from cynical and apprehensive to optimistic and trusting.
Characters are allowed to change their minds. That's what makes people human
Oh do tell me when did he create the Justice League? You seem to have watched a very different film to us all again.
He began to plant the seeds of creating a JL at the end of the film it's hinted and it's now confirmed that he is indeed the one that will be responsible for creating the JL.
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Ramboman24 — 9 years ago(January 08, 2017 04:01 PM)
I am sure that by the same measure Lex motivations you should also believe made for him actually being a good guy because he believed in what he was doing is also for the greater good.
And no, not at all.
Abducting an innocent woman to manipulate someone is just flat out wrong. Once you get to know Lex, you can see he's a twisted man doing what he does because he's a psychopath.
The whole philosophy thing only works when that's the ONLY reason you want to kill Superman and you plan to do it In an honorable way. Sure, Lex may have had a point about people fearing Superman, but the way he went about taking out Superman showed his ugly side. Also didn't agree with the fact that he framed Superman.
So I gave my answers perhaps you can give the reasons why you think Batman is not a violent murder and is so heroic (using only what is shown in the DCEU films).
The difference is that I was able to counter your straw man arguments and point out that Batman is pretty much a vigilante who only takes out bad guys. Just because he kills bad guys doesn't take away from the heroic things he does. If he was a killer that got pleasure out of killing innocent people then he'd be evil. But he doesn't
. That's why your arguments don't hold up.
Answer this how will you counter MY points that he IS heroic?- When he shows great concern for his employees at the start of his movie, personally speeds over to ground zero to surveil the area and runs into the rubble while everyone else is cowering away to see if he can help. Ends up saving a little girl
Can't counter that one - Continues to show how much he cared about his employees that died throughout the rest of the film.
- Decides not to kill Superman once he gets a strong enough sense to trust his instincts that Superman is indeed GOOD. If he's as evil as you say, he should've just killed Superman for the hell of it
- Goes out of his way to rescue Martha Kent (AN INNOCENT WOMAN) Go ahead and debunk that one. If he's as sadistic as you seem to think he is, he should have raped and killed her when he got the chance
That is, after branding her first. - Sticks around the battle zone of an insanely overpowered Doomsday that could squash him in seconds and helps out whichever way he could when he could've just cowered away. Why does he care about taking out Doomsday hmm must be because he's heroic and Doomsday poses a threat to the world. Counter that one
- Decides to create a JL with Wonder Woman to PROTECT HUMANITY. Or are you going to say that he's going to form the JL so he can just kill and enslave everyone?
As you can see, my arguments aren't straw man because they can't be refuted. Yours can, because you're putting a spin on things that happen in the film to try and twist a character into something they aren't.
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- When he shows great concern for his employees at the start of his movie, personally speeds over to ground zero to surveil the area and runs into the rubble while everyone else is cowering away to see if he can help. Ends up saving a little girl
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WeWonTheWar — 9 years ago(January 06, 2017 03:47 AM)
What is actually laughable is the fact that the DC Zealots think that people don't get what Snyder was aiming for with the Martha scene but just reject it because they know that the result of "Martha" was stupid and the effect was totally unrealistic. WE GET WHAT THE SCENE WAS MEANT TO MEAN it just does not work and so becomes one of the most funny scenes in cinema ever because of that.
^^^ This!
DC fanturds refuse to accept how beep dumb that scene looks is and continue trying to rationalize it like that's everyone's main problem.
Newsflash- It's horribly written and was the No.1 comedy moment in cinema for 2016!
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Ramboman24 — 9 years ago(January 06, 2017 03:49 AM)
Oh hey look one Marvel zealot agreeing with another Marvel zealot.
Who'dve thought?
and continue trying to rationalize it like that's everyone's main problem with it.
I'm not the one creating threads asking for people to explain the scene
Make up your OWN mind. Don't be a follower.
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Ramboman24 — 9 years ago(January 06, 2017 04:16 AM)
Iron Turd 3 is garbage too.
Iron Man (2008) is the only great Marvel movie imo.
Nothing they've done has come close since.
Winter Soldier had cool action scenes.. but Cap is boring. Avengers introduced all the "kiddieness" into the MCU. Downhill ever since.
Make up your OWN mind. Don't be a follower.
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Ramboman24 — 9 years ago(January 06, 2017 04:27 AM)
I would've rathered a real Iron Man trilogy rather than an entire Universe with childish Iron Man sequels.
Honestly, I'm not huge on the shared Universe idea. Would've honestly rather got a Superman trilogy.
Make up your OWN mind. Don't be a follower.
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WeWonTheWar — 9 years ago(January 06, 2017 04:29 AM)
IMO, TWS is one of the best superhero movies ever made. I think it's the one MCU movie that should appeal to hardcore DC fans. What is "kiddy" about it? Methinks you're letting your bias cloud your thoughts.
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Ramboman24 — 9 years ago(January 06, 2017 05:05 AM)
It's not kiddie. I like that Winter Soldier was more serious like Iron Man except Cap is just such a boring character compared to Iron Man which is ultimately, why I think Iron Man is the much better movie.
Make up your OWN mind. Don't be a follower.
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