Am I the only one who didn't like it?
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svalinanikola — 10 years ago(December 05, 2015 04:45 AM)
Some of your complaints make no sense, like this:
Krampus wasnt so much a real Krampus, though there were bells, chains and fury, i always thought of him more like "Santas Shadow", which means not a real seperated creature, more a dark side of him. The whole tradition of Krampus was shown incorrect here, but okay, i could live with that, though it could have been better
Incorrectly? He's almost always presented as his own entity, he's not presented as Santa on his bad day. -
maxi13 — 10 years ago(December 05, 2015 04:55 AM)
its also hard to explain
i am not quite sure, because you dont even see Krampus that often and that well
but it felt like he is wearing a red-white-hoody or at least a christmas coat.
these are not things a Krampus would wear.
its a feeling of an austrian who grew up with Krampus.
my partner, with whom i went to the cinema, said the same.
before i started this topic.
for her it was also not a Krampus, more a very dark version of Santa Claus.
could be something cultural, that we see it different
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maxi13 — 10 years ago(December 05, 2015 05:00 AM)
the presents for example!
Krampus dont have a sack and they dont bring presents.
but thats not the only reason
and also not a real good reason i have to admit.
its more a feeling of someone who is grown up with this tradition,
but i can also disclaim this one point
though even my friend shared my opinion
and i am not the only one who saw it that way.
we felt it if this creature was a transformed Santa Claus.
but there are still a lot of other points of critic, which are well explained
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svalinanikola — 10 years ago(December 05, 2015 05:40 AM)
Actually, if you google some pictures of Krampus he's almost always present with with a sack of some kind.
This is a creature which has different interpretations through cultures, it's not a real character so there are some creative liberties.
Hell, the way you described it doesn't sound the way Krampus is usually decipted either. So, you can't complain that the movie isn't 100% accurate (which is impossible to do anyway) when you're taking liberties as well.
The makers of the movie took the concept of Krampus as a sort of anti-Santa Claus and ran with it, that's why he wears clothes that look similar to Santa and has presents but he uses that for punishment.
and it was just 1 point out of 20(?)
Like this?
the scene were we realized that all we have seen was just a dream. which would have been - hands down - an incredible stupid and lame ending. just if a 10 year old is writing a text for school. i hated the film for a moment because of that! At the end it was good that the ending wasn't that easy to "read". that it was open for more than just 1 interpretation. that was good.
I'm not even sure what you tried to say here. Is this a complaint or not? Sounds like you like it.
but i found not one similarity in plot, characters,
It's not about the plot and characters, it's like Gremlins in spirit. Horror with comedy about people getting attacked by silly creatures.
i thought Krampus will be the main villain here. it started well. and as you have said, i also liked this jumping sequence, but afterwards Krampus wasnt that important anymore. nearly everything dangerous came from his assisstents.
Again, this is just a personal preference, not a fault in the movie. There's one movie called A Christmas Horror Story where Krampus is attacking people and all he does is drag people around with his hooks and chains, it gets boring after a while.
This movie had a right idea of creating helpers for him so it brings variety and doesn't get boring after a while.
They were going for anti-Santa thing, so the creature was like a boss or something and the toys etc. were his workers who helped him punish people.
The next time we saw Krampus was when he "opened the earth" and this figure hardly looked if it would be able to run.
Him looking like barely being able to run are the faults of the practical effects, when you use practical effects it's hard to make something look like it's really fast etc.
In Gremlins 1 you don't see the titular creatures running that often and when they move you don't see their legs, the lower body area isn't shown that often because it's hard to make it look good etc.
Gremlins 2 tried to show it more (they had more money etc.) but again, you hardly ever saw them in full body shots and when you did they weren't so fast.
With CGI it's easier to make creatures like that move fast and do other wild movements.
Them trying to stick to practical effects like in the 80's brought them a lot of limitations as well, of course if they used CGI people would complain.
nearly everywhere i heard that the animation flashback will be really great. it was okay and good, but far from being amazingly great. i am very much into computer animated films, but i have seen so much better things. though it was still okay.
Doesn't sound like the movie's problem, it's hardly a complaint. You listened to people and had different expectations.
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maxi13 — 10 years ago(December 05, 2015 06:51 AM)
i dont need any google picture search cause i am austrian and its one of our traditions.
its like a martian is coming and telling you how Santa Claus has to look like.
i am sorry, but believe me, i grew up with this tradition
and i knew Krampus for decades,
not just for 3 months in which some americans got a picture of a "new" creature.
he's almost always present with with a sack of some kind.
it should be a basket at his back.
in the film, Krampus maybe even has one,
though we dont see it
different interpretations through cultures
there are not so many cultures which have the Krampus,
so there cannot be so many interpretations.
its just common in Austria, Bavaria and some smaller parts beneath the borders of todays Austria
you can't complain that the movie isn't 100% accurate
sure, i can!
but if you have read my text you should have realized that that is not the real problem.
i have written (here or in the other discussion with you) that it is okay if they make their own interpretation.
it just could have been an even more interesting creature if they would have stick more to the traditional look of Krampus.
but this doesnt ruin the film completly, not at all!
its just 1 point out of many
The makers of the movie took the concept of Krampus as a sort of anti-Santa Claus and ran with it
now you are by yourself saying what i have written too.
and when i have written it, you said that my argument is not okay
i just said it didnt felt like a Krampus, more like a dark Santa Claus,
and now you say they had the concept of Krampus being a "anti-Santa Claus".
and even you say that he had atributes of Santa.
nothing else what i have said
what you dont realize
Krampus has NOTHING to do with Santa Claus at all !!!
Krampus is the "partner" of "Saint Nicholas" which is a complete different figure than "Santa Clause".
anyway! its okay, if film makers do their own thing,
but i can say that some decisions led not to the maybe best results.
its my opinion. yes!
and?
why not?
what you tried to say here. Is this a complaint or not? Sounds like you like it.
i never said that i totally hate this movie
or that there are not also good points to find here.
i am not looking at something just in black and white,
cant you understand that there are some people out there who look on something more differentiated?!
Gremlins in spirit. Horror with comedy about people getting attacked by silly creatures.
i will never agree with you in that point
and this comarison lead people to absolutely wrong ideas.- its not a comedy
- the creatures are not silly
- those creatures have absolutely nothing in common with Gremlins
Again, this is just a personal preference, not a fault in the movie.
and?
i am talking about what I liked and what i didnt like.
anyway!
this film is called "Krampus",
so it is okay if someone like me, who sits in the audience, expects that Krampus is important in this story.
its also not a problem to create side-figures to make it more interesting,
but its strange when the "main" villain and the figure of the title is just seen at the beginning and at the end.
just if he was just a minor character.
maybe they have wasted too much time at the beginning to put all this stuff into the film. a Krampus as a mainfigure AND a lot of assistants. obviously Krampus wasnt seen very often on screen.
Doesn't sound like the movie's problem, it's hardly a complaint. You listened to people and had different expectations.
Not really a fair complaint don't you think?
if you argue that way you can NEVER say anything against a movie.
you can always say "they wanted it that way, so shut up".
"the dramatization is not well done"
answer: "they wanted it that way"
i am sorry, but your position is quite strange
and also subservient to the film makers.
this movie has the title "Krampus"
its simple a fact that you dont see Krampus that often
and that the most dangerous things are not coming from this creature.
its a weak point of the film
i just say what was not that good in my opinion and i argue with traceable arguments.
when you dont get it, then okay, you dont get it.
a huge ammount of critics and some people here are seeing it different than you.
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CinderFall — 10 years ago(December 05, 2015 04:56 PM)
i dont need any google picture search cause i am austrian and its one of our traditions.
its like a martian is coming and telling you how Santa Claus has to look like.
That right there is where I stopped caring for your argument. You drove a good point up until these two sentences. I really hated that you sank your own perfectly fine ship with those two sentences. Where you said
i dont need any google picture search cause i am austrian
made me so mad. Well, you know what? I'm from Texas, I don't like the interpretation people had of cowboys, so therefore, I don't need to look at pictures of the real deal because I know what they are. That's how idiotic that sounds. Just because you grew up with that folklore doesn't mean its specifically isolated to how you view it. There are many interpretations of Krampus across many cultures and there is always going to be a differentiation on how it looks. Just like how the boogeyman that I grew up with was a giant bloody creature that eats the heads of children that see it (yeah, my parents were a little cruel. But I was fine with it, it got me to sleep, so it worked). And then you have the audacity to say
its like a martian is coming and telling you how Santa Claus has to look like.
Well whoop-de-doo-dah. The martian is allowed to have his views. Get off your high horse, just because its of a central European (not isolated to Austria) origin does not mean any other interpretation of it is wrong. -
maxi13 — 10 years ago(December 06, 2015 07:30 AM)
you are right, those 2 sentences were not okay
though there is no other interpretation of the tradition, because the tradition is how it is.
there is (obviously) a interpretation of the figure of Krampus,
which is leaving the old tradition.
and the tradition is very well a special Austrian tradition!
it can be found just in Austria, Bavaria and parts of other countries, which used to be Austria.
heartland of this tradition is still Austria and in those other countries its still very rarely
and even there its following the tradition.
the film is leaving this tradition, but its okay.
its leaving the tradition because it connects Krampus with Christmas,
which is wrong.
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maxi13 — 10 years ago(December 05, 2015 07:06 AM)
f.ex. you dont say anything about the snowmen, the elves entering the room, and so on
are this well made plot-twists in your opinion, or what?
and the film makers wanted them that way,
so dont say anything against it? -
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tylerstro — 10 years ago(December 05, 2015 07:44 AM)
I saw this movie twicethe first time I saw it I was a little disappointed because I had expectations. When I watched it again it was so much better because I knew what was coming and could appreciate it for what it was and the decisions the filmmaker made. I would have liked a few things to be a little different, but face it, a remake isn't happening (at least not for 20 yearsby this set of filmmakers anyway). Accepting it for what it is made a huge difference and I like this movie.
The arguments about it being worth an 8 or a 10, Maxi? Again, all of this is opinion. A movie you give a 10, I could give a 5 and this argument starts all over again.
I like this movie and I give it an 8. I love Trick R Treat and I give it a 10.my favorite Halloween movie ever. I like Michale Dougherty and want to see what he has up his sleeve. So I hope this movie is someone else's 10, even if it was only an 8 for me.
Go Krampus!! -
maxi13 — 10 years ago(December 05, 2015 08:09 AM)
if you really liked that film so much and think its an extraordinary good one and rate it with 8, then its okay.
the same with TrT: if its one of your alltime favorites without any bad points then 10 is the rating to go.
i do it the same way!
but Krampus gets a huge amount of 10s,
then there is a gap
and its getting normal again with 7s, 6s and so on.
thats quite unusual and someone can think that people who like films just gave a 10 or a 1
and dont really think about the qualities of a film.
such ratings are ruining the system
and they didnt made a rating system between 1 and 10 just for fun.
a 10 should be given just in special cases,