Why are all the "good" guys in this show portrayed as wimps?!!
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al666940 — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 08:29 AM)
You mean bi-sexual (or straight out gay) as in FBI Agent Paul Smecker (Willem Dafoe) in the movie The Boondock Saints?
I sure wouldn't mind that!
As for gender-fluid, the HBO show Sex and The City pretty much said it best in the third season episode "Boy, Girl, Boy, Girl" -
al666940 — 9 years ago(February 05, 2017 08:30 AM)
How does having the boys behave as teen pushovers "projects a more open society.", exactly?
And open to what, to attack?
Apparently in this show leads are either macho cavemen or gays in denial (one extreme or another).
How about what's everything in between? Now that would be an actually open society.
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lamont-hard — 9 years ago(February 08, 2017 08:18 AM)
At least he stood up to Kara, He must have thought, you do not want a relationship with me yet as long as I'm your friend and not my own person It's O.K. She should get the message from someone who constantly tells everyone. I don't need your help as he does not need her help either nor does he need a protector and maybe that is whats bothering her.
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al666940 — 9 years ago(February 12, 2017 08:08 AM)
Isn't that like an empty or foolish challenge? I mean either:
a) He's fotgotten she can indeed stop him at any time she feels like, and is thus foolishly pushing his luck and Kara's good graces.
b) He knows Kara is spineless and a pushover (regarding him) and thus is rubbing it in her face, rather foolishly (everyone's patience has a limit). -
lamont-hard — 9 years ago(February 12, 2017 07:30 PM)
Just how would she stop him, lock him up at the DEO, turn him in to the police then him getting fired. The scene means she has no RIGHT to stop him from being himself. It's not about her using her powers or influence to stop him from risking his life saving people.
Kara isn't spineless, nor is he rubbing anything in her face. He patiently explained what he does and what it means to him. So he is not standing up to Supergirl and her strengths but Kara his friend to let him be himself. -
baronofspades — 9 years ago(February 12, 2017 09:56 PM)
Technically she has every right to stop him. Kara works for the DEO. DEO is legal. So that [even though it was never stated in the show] makes Karas actions as Supergirl legal.
James on the other hand is a vigilante. Which makes him a criminal. And that means that Supergirl has every legal right to stop him. THE police should also be chasing him but they enjoy getting free time and relaxation thanks to his vigilante actions
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al666940 — 9 years ago(February 13, 2017 08:53 AM)
Couldn't have said it better myself.
"Kara works for the DEO. DEO is legal"
Damn straight, she's under supervision and complies with law enforcement regulations regarding her activities. He's not. Today are bad guys he takes his anger out on, tomorrow may be jaywalkers and people whom fail to pick up after their dogs. Who's to know for he's unaccountable, unlike Kara.
"i miss the good old days when vigilantes were treated as outlaws"
Comics at least have always made the case that it's all about how much public support said vigilante draws, and how much public embarrassment it causes to public figures:- Batman: he gets a pass because he doesn't kill (in comics), thus public support for him is high, and thus he's left alone (unless when he becomes an embarrassment, like in The Dark Knight Returns)
- Punisher: he doesn't get a pass (he's been jailed many times) precisely because he kills people. Since he never kills innocents police and such have usually de-prioritized his capture though unless pressed.
Even Supergirl when she's gone rogue (red kryptonite) has been pursued and captured.
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baronofspades — 9 years ago(February 13, 2017 10:52 AM)
I havent read any comics. I was referring to the first season of Arrow.
What is your opinion on this? Personally i believe that these shows should follow the first season of Arrow on the fact that being a vigilante is illegal. What is your opinion on this? -
lamont-hard — 9 years ago(February 13, 2017 04:31 PM)
Baron, First I'll miss your comments across series you participate in. I think you miss read what I wrote. So, Kara is legal and he isn't, it makes no difference in context to the people he saves. The series screams and I really mean screams it's about protecting the innocent. I doubt if Maggie a police and Alex a DEO agent will arrest him. Then there is Hank whose Supergirls boss who has already said he and Winn are doing good out there. They accept them for what they stand for. Kara wouldn't be Kara if she didn't want to stop them from getting hurt or killed. So her threat is out of caring not a bully pulpit. The same as wives or husband whom worry about soldiers or anyone else but can't stop there mates when it comes to there work, passion etc.
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baronofspades — 9 years ago(February 13, 2017 11:38 PM)
Ok. First. I hope when you say that you will miss my comments you mean that my comments were logical and good. If not then that is also fineto each his/her own.
Second. I understand that the series screams about protecting the innocent. However. I believe that this show [and all other DC shows] oversimplifies things. I never said Kara was a bully and i understood that her threat was out of caring. However it really bothers me that this show gives no focus to the bigger picture. And that picture is that by allowing James to act as a vigilante you are breaking the law and promote chaos. As i have stated i have never read comics. I have watched cartoons and tv shows. And there were 2 scenarios most of the time:
a)Either they didnt fully touch on the subject of relationships between vigilantes/heroes and law enforcement agencies.
b)They considered the vigilante to be an outlaw and thus he/she was chased by law enforcement.
Both scenarios more realistic than what we see in the current seasons of the DC shows. I DONT know the target audiance but even if that audiance is young teens there is a problem when you add too much fantasy to a show. There needs to be a balance between fantasy and logic/realism.
Following your passions isnt wrong. When you break the law though it is. And James/Guardian is breaking the law. -
peter-rushkin — 9 years ago(February 05, 2017 11:27 AM)
Because all of the boys are getting nailed by big black dudes prison style.
Remember this is phaggot berlanti's universe where all men are super gay!
Are you an SJW ? If so, please kill yourself immediately! Thanks -
LRose83 — 9 years ago(February 11, 2017 02:43 PM)
I think you are looking at this the wrong way. How many female driven superhero/super-powered shows have you watched? You could say the same thing about Buffy, Charmed, and many others. They want to make the main character the strongest on the show. I mean Arrow is kind of the same way but in reverse with Oliver being the strongest character. That is just the way it works with TV.
I also disagree that the men on the show are pushovers/super sensitive. I think they are just being normal. Can you point out a specific scene or demonstrate that in some way? I am really curious by what you mean. Sure Winn may be a little "geeky" but then he is supposed to be. I think they actually have a pretty wide range on the show. And Brenden Fraser in Bedazzled. he was crying during that whole scene. I haven't even seen one of these guys do that on the showthough if they did for a scene it wouldn't bother me.
Additionally, the "macho" "real" man stereotype is just a social construct. It doesn't represent reality. People learn to be "macho" or not to be based on their experiences in life. It depends on what type of family you come from, where you grow up, and what influences you. My point with that is that not everyone's definition of a "real" man aligns with yours. Your definition isn't based on reality and is instead just something that comes from your own worldview. -
al666940 — 9 years ago(February 12, 2017 08:33 AM)
"How many female driven superhero/super-powered shows have you watched?"
Well, how about Xena, Wonder Woman (70's), Charmed, The Good Wife, Underworld (by now it's like a TV show really) and Pretty Little Liars to name a new?
"They want to make the main character the strongest on the show."
That doesn't require making the males clones of Alan Harper. The male leads in Charmed and Xena for instance were nothing like the ones in this show.
There's a big difference between deferring or taking a step back, and becoming a walking doormat wearing your feelings on your sleeve.
"I think they are just being normal. "
Maybe a "new" normal.
"Can you point out a specific scene or demonstrate that in some way?"
Sure:- Wynn in ALL of season 1: I thought he was supposed to be the gay friend at first. Doesn't have the courage to go for what he wants (even though he CLEARLY has all the access and opportunity any suitor could ever hope for, so shyness ain't an excuse), before or after James showed up (in case you say he felt intimidated by him). And when he finally musters the courage to make a pass, it's so hopelessly late even a blind person would see it.
- James: everybody walks all over him (Kat, his girlfriend Lane, his girlfriend's dad, Kara's sister, etc). And he's beyond indecisive regarding what woman he wants (it depends on whom makes a move on him apparently). Total manipulable tool.
There.
"the "macho" "real" man stereotype is just a social construct."
I never used the term "macho".
Being a real man doesn't require one to be macho (hispanic term to refer to guys whom fight each other out of insecurity, treat women like crap and are unreliable in every aspect), you do know that, right?
You're setting up your own straw man to knock down.
There's a recent study out there that answers why women like jerks: long story short, they find their assertiveness and confidence appealing enough to overlook (to their peril) their jerky shortcomings. Those qualities will always override being "nice", especially when being nice comes along with being "dickless".
There's a reason many hot women go for rich powerful (even if ugly) dudes besides the obvious (money): that personality (assertive, confident, secure, imposing) really is attractive (obviously not all rich dudes have it, but the ones who do have double appeal), like it or not.