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Why are all the "good" guys in this show portrayed as wimps?!!

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    psychozealot — 9 years ago(February 11, 2017 12:08 AM)

    you call yourself a scientist? LOL engineers use science, but aint no scientists, and the science you use isn't psychology, ethology, zoology, biology, anthropology, sociology or any kind of science relevant to this, so shut your ignorant mouth.
    By the way, mentioning that you are a retired engineer in a subject pertaining ethnology and anthropology is a fallacy, an ad verecundiam fallacy.

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      arache-81355 — 9 years ago(February 13, 2017 11:58 PM)

      dude or girl, give up.
      he got you beaten at the point he mentioned he used science.
      Psychology is not a science it is a subject area

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        Sean_Haze — 9 years ago(February 11, 2017 11:03 PM)

        "Ad hominem the refugee of those without relevant details."

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          psychozealot — 9 years ago(February 13, 2017 02:32 AM)

          Where's the ad hominem?

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            DebLovesBeccy — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 03:43 AM)

            Considering you are talking about the exact same show that turned Supergirl who has been long portrayed as edgy and aggressive into a nerd I would say that is the least of this show's problems. Let's not forget Kara used to use her heat vision to set criminals on fire and only put them out when they told her what she needed to know multiple times and once told a guy who was trying to rape a woman the next time she saw him trying that she would tear his nuts off and shove them down his throat and Linda burned demons to ashes and ripped villains heads with her hands. They did a similar thing with the Black Canary in 'Arrow' and weakened her down just to look the males in the show look stronger.


            Make Same Sex Marriages Legal In Australia 'cause we deserve to have the same rights as everybody else and shouldn't be controlled by backwards people with outdated views

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              Educator07 — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 04:07 AM)

              Masculinity and heterosexuality are seen as oppressive and dangerous. Berlanti would love to have a show where everyone is bisexual and "gender-fluid", that's the endgame.
              Good job Oscars! Hopefully Asian and Hispanic nominees in 2018!

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                krypton_son — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 04:18 AM)

                Masculinity and heterosexuality are seen as oppressive and dangerous. Berlanti would love to have a show where everyone is bisexual and "gender-fluid", that's the endgame.
                Hit the nail on the head.
                dies ist meine unterschrift

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                  al666940 — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 08:29 AM)

                  You mean bi-sexual (or straight out gay) as in FBI Agent Paul Smecker (Willem Dafoe) in the movie The Boondock Saints?
                  I sure wouldn't mind that!
                  As for gender-fluid, the HBO show Sex and The City pretty much said it best in the third season episode "Boy, Girl, Boy, Girl"

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                    Fusion72 — 9 years ago(February 04, 2017 08:50 AM)

                    It projects a more open society. But I do feel its to make Kara seem bigger and the great helper.

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                      al666940 — 9 years ago(February 05, 2017 08:30 AM)

                      How does having the boys behave as teen pushovers "projects a more open society.", exactly?
                      And open to what, to attack?
                      Apparently in this show leads are either macho cavemen or gays in denial (one extreme or another).
                      How about what's everything in between? Now that would be an actually open society.
                      Maybe you meant PC society?

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                        Fusion72 — 9 years ago(February 07, 2017 02:45 PM)

                        I interpreted "wimps" to mean 'more in touch with their emotions'. So in terms of the show I thought they were balancing out the gender roles.
                        I've not noticed any macho men except Olsen.

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                          psychozealot — 9 years ago(February 07, 2017 04:03 PM)

                          Olsen has a macho's body, like mon-el, but not a macho's mind, mon-el is closer to that but he is disgusting.

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                            lamont-hard — 9 years ago(February 08, 2017 08:18 AM)

                            At least he stood up to Kara, He must have thought, you do not want a relationship with me yet as long as I'm your friend and not my own person It's O.K. She should get the message from someone who constantly tells everyone. I don't need your help as he does not need her help either nor does he need a protector and maybe that is whats bothering her.

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                              al666940 — 9 years ago(February 09, 2017 04:43 PM)

                              "At least he stood up to Kara"
                              When was this? Haven't seen all the season 2 episodes yet

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                                lamont-hard — 9 years ago(February 10, 2017 08:49 PM)

                                When she said I will have to stop you if you continue being the guardian his response was your welcome to try. To me saying he would not stop being who he was because she wanted him to.

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                                  al666940 — 9 years ago(February 12, 2017 08:08 AM)

                                  Isn't that like an empty or foolish challenge? I mean either:
                                  a) He's fotgotten she can indeed stop him at any time she feels like, and is thus foolishly pushing his luck and Kara's good graces.
                                  b) He knows Kara is spineless and a pushover (regarding him) and thus is rubbing it in her face, rather foolishly (everyone's patience has a limit).

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                                    lamont-hard — 9 years ago(February 12, 2017 07:30 PM)

                                    Just how would she stop him, lock him up at the DEO, turn him in to the police then him getting fired. The scene means she has no RIGHT to stop him from being himself. It's not about her using her powers or influence to stop him from risking his life saving people.
                                    Kara isn't spineless, nor is he rubbing anything in her face. He patiently explained what he does and what it means to him. So he is not standing up to Supergirl and her strengths but Kara his friend to let him be himself.

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                                      baronofspades — 9 years ago(February 12, 2017 09:56 PM)

                                      Technically she has every right to stop him. Kara works for the DEO. DEO is legal. So that [even though it was never stated in the show] makes Karas actions as Supergirl legal.
                                      James on the other hand is a vigilante. Which makes him a criminal. And that means that Supergirl has every legal right to stop him. THE police should also be chasing him but they enjoy getting free time and relaxation thanks to his vigilante actions
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                                        al666940 — 9 years ago(February 13, 2017 08:53 AM)

                                        Couldn't have said it better myself.
                                        "Kara works for the DEO. DEO is legal"
                                        Damn straight, she's under supervision and complies with law enforcement regulations regarding her activities. He's not. Today are bad guys he takes his anger out on, tomorrow may be jaywalkers and people whom fail to pick up after their dogs. Who's to know for he's unaccountable, unlike Kara.
                                        "i miss the good old days when vigilantes were treated as outlaws"
                                        Comics at least have always made the case that it's all about how much public support said vigilante draws, and how much public embarrassment it causes to public figures:

                                        • Batman: he gets a pass because he doesn't kill (in comics), thus public support for him is high, and thus he's left alone (unless when he becomes an embarrassment, like in The Dark Knight Returns)
                                        • Punisher: he doesn't get a pass (he's been jailed many times) precisely because he kills people. Since he never kills innocents police and such have usually de-prioritized his capture though unless pressed.
                                          Even Supergirl when she's gone rogue (red kryptonite) has been pursued and captured.
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                                          baronofspades — 9 years ago(February 13, 2017 10:52 AM)

                                          I havent read any comics. I was referring to the first season of Arrow.
                                          What is your opinion on this? Personally i believe that these shows should follow the first season of Arrow on the fact that being a vigilante is illegal. What is your opinion on this?

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