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    Cheeky — 3 years ago(April 21, 2022 12:35 AM)

    Yes, they were strangers. I know someone who was raised by her grandmother, and she refers to her birth mother by her name
    If we take the time to see with the heart and not with the mind, we shall see that we are surrounded completely by angels ~ Carlos Santana

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      ToastedCheese — 3 years ago(April 21, 2022 12:41 AM)

      This says so much for how others contribute and are influential in ones lives. The birth mother brought them into this world, and they would have genetic traits, but perhaps not so much personality characteristics. These are largely formed through experience of conditioning.
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        Cheeky — 3 years ago(April 21, 2022 01:39 AM)

        I agree ~ she's not really like her birth mother at all, although they were raised by the same woman
        The grandmother who raised her admitted to me when her daughter was a teen that she didn't like her
        When your mother doesn't like you, that has to be a very strange upbringing
        If we take the time to see with the heart and not with the mind, we shall see that we are surrounded completely by angels ~ Carlos Santana

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          ToastedCheese — 3 years ago(April 21, 2022 02:11 AM)

          When your mother doesn't like you, that has to be a very strange upbringing
          A dear friend of mine had this experience. It had to be confronted and addressed and there is still animosity.
          No one said our birth parents are meant to be our besties.
          Its like fathers too running off on their children. The kid may be curious to know about their father, but it means nothing when they meet them. They played no part in the formation of the being they are today.
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            Cheeky — 3 years ago(April 21, 2022 02:20 AM)

            My sister thought our mother didn't like her when we were growing up because of the way our mother treated her
            My sister spent a lot of her adult life being rude to her
            I can understand up to a point and our mom knew why she was like that, and she never complained about how my sister treated her, but I did
            My sister is rude to me sometimes too. I think it's because I'm her sister and she takes my love for granted
            I doubt if she would ever say rude things to her friends like she does to me
            If we take the time to see with the heart and not with the mind, we shall see that we are surrounded completely by angels ~ Carlos Santana

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              ToastedCheese — 3 years ago(April 21, 2022 06:05 AM)

              Same with siblings and rivalry is always going to happen. I guess I have been lucky with my sister because we pretty much got along for 99.9% of the time.
              Parents do need to watch themselves when they have more than one kid, because children are like sponges and can misinterpret things too.
              Why did your mother treat her the way she did?
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                Cheeky — 3 years ago(April 21, 2022 01:13 PM)

                Good to hear that about you and your sister
                My sister and I get along, it's just that she tends to be blunt, and I don't say anything because I don't want to hurt her. I laugh a lot so I'm sure I get on people's nerves
                My mother is a controlling person. When we were in our early teens, she started checking up on us by calling where we said we were going to go
                If we weren't there, she and my stepfather would wait until we got home and try to catch us in a lie
                At least that's what happened to my sister. Then my mom would hit her, and I guess this happened to her a lot, where our mom was hitting her
                That is why I understood why she had such animosity towards our mom, but when I was with them, I would get upset and annoyed at how my sister would ignore our mom when she would try and converse with her
                If we take the time to see with the heart and not with the mind, we shall see that we are surrounded completely by angels ~ Carlos Santana

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                  ToastedCheese — 3 years ago(April 22, 2022 12:59 AM)

                  There is resentment there and the abuse and controlling nature of your mother took its toll on your sister. You may have been the more compliant one.
                  Norman! What did you put in my tea?

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                    Cheeky — 3 years ago(April 22, 2022 01:35 AM)

                    My sister was a bit more defiant, but I was no angel, just a bit of a late bloomer
                    I hate that they treated her like that and that I didn't protect her
                    I guess my only excuse is that she treated me like she didn't like me
                    If we take the time to see with the heart and not with the mind, we shall see that we are surrounded completely by angels ~ Carlos Santana

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                      I love hutch — 3 years ago(April 20, 2022 11:34 PM)

                      Though I wonder if the three boys had been allowed to grow up together if Eddy wouldn't have found enough love and comfort and reassurance in his relationships with his two brothers to not have come out okay.
                      The doc started out so happy and upbeat and ended so dark and depressing.
                      "My life is over. I might as well dance with Johnny Slash!"

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                        ToastedCheese — 3 years ago(April 20, 2022 11:37 PM)

                        Though I wonder if the three boys had been allowed to grow up together if Eddy wouldn't have found enough love and comfort and reassurance in his relationships with his two brothers to not have come out okay.
                        I feel a lot of it has to do with the family that raised him and his father admitted he was more of a strict disciplinarian. There was a lot of resentment going on with Eddy and perhaps a conditioning that he wasn't living up to expectations.
                        But yes, ultimately they really needed the support of each other.
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                          I love hutch — 3 years ago(April 20, 2022 11:40 PM)

                          There was a lot of resentment going on with Eddy and perhaps a conditioning that he wasn't living up to expectations.
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                          Yes. He likely felt that, given the circumstances of his upbringing, he was the unlucky one of the three. And, tragically, he was right.
                          "My life is over. I might as well dance with Johnny Slash!"

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                            ToastedCheese — 3 years ago(April 20, 2022 11:44 PM)

                            He was the cutest one too if I recall.
                            Thanks for recommending this doco, it was fascinating.
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                              I love hutch — 3 years ago(April 20, 2022 11:49 PM)

                              So you can tell who is who? Wow. I know I can't. All three were super cute boys. When you see the three of them together horsing around and smiling, it's hard not to fall in love with them. They seemed very endearing.
                              A friend recommended it to me. Very fascinating. I'm glad you got to see it.
                              "My life is over. I might as well dance with Johnny Slash!"

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                                ToastedCheese — 3 years ago(April 21, 2022 12:13 AM)

                                Watching the doco in the moment I started to tell, yet it can be difficult on a whim when they were younger…
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                                  Cheeky — 3 years ago(April 21, 2022 01:56 AM)

                                  IIRC Eddy is in the middle
                                  Edit: Wrong, I just checked, Eddy is on the left
                                  If we take the time to see with the heart and not with the mind, we shall see that we are surrounded completely by angels ~ Carlos Santana

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                                    ToastedCheese — 3 years ago(April 21, 2022 02:12 AM)

                                    Yes, Eddy is on the left, the middle kid is David.
                                    Norman! What did you put in my tea?

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                                      Cheeky — 3 years ago(April 21, 2022 02:21 AM)

                                      Thank you 👍
                                      If we take the time to see with the heart and not with the mind, we shall see that we are surrounded completely by angels ~ Carlos Santana

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                                        ToastedCheese — 3 years ago(April 21, 2022 06:18 AM)

                                        These 3 boys were all in the womb together, once birthed and if they had been separated straight away they may not have had the same connection for each other.
                                        As it stood, as sentient babies they were all in each others presence for a while until individually adopted out. They had their own special baby bond and hence separation anxiety as the doco mentioned.
                                        Norman! What did you put in my tea?

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                                          Cheeky — 3 years ago(April 21, 2022 01:18 PM)

                                          They really hurt those babies by doing that to them
                                          I know a woman who's a triplet… she's a sweet lady and very emotional. She may have had a mental breakdown at some point due to tragedy
                                          If we take the time to see with the heart and not with the mind, we shall see that we are surrounded completely by angels ~ Carlos Santana

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