Penitentiary recycling centers
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Platonic_Caveman — 6 years ago(January 07, 2020 04:54 PM)
No, too much potential that the prisoners would use materials to make weapons.
More violent and untrustworthy prisoners can handle the nastier material.
Exposing some prisoners to toxic waste would end up in court and be ruled "cruel and unusual punishment".
You realize that all prisoners except the most violent are required to work now, right?
I have a better idea. Turn prisons into brothels.
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Soul_Venom — 6 years ago(January 07, 2020 05:18 PM)
Cruel and unusual? Bullshit. If it is not cruel or unusual for civilian workers to dig through and sort half rotted food scraps and soiled baby diapers then it certainly is not for convicts.and just when are they going to have the opportunity to make anything. And even if they do manage to make something while under the watchful eyes of the guards and soldier they damn sure ain't going to be able to smuggle it out having to strip their dirty jump suits then walk through a body scanner.
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Platonic_Caveman — 6 years ago(January 07, 2020 05:35 PM)
Believe me, prisoners are adept at smuggling items through security in prison. There is no reason on earth to allow them anywhere near scrap metal let alone toxic substances. Not only would we have prisoners attacking each other and guards when they were working in the recycling centers. They would have access to toxic waste which would be a danger to the public.
Horrible idea - and prison staff and criminologists would just laugh it off.
It makes much more sense to allow professionals in the public sector to handle recycling.
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Soul_Venom — 6 years ago(January 07, 2020 07:48 PM)
Prisoners are used to being monitored by small numbers of guards not large numbers of professional soldiers. I dont think they'd be getting away with ****.
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Soul_Venom — 6 years ago(January 08, 2020 03:34 AM)
They ought to put these people to good use. Seems like a damn good environment to train soldiers and drug sniffing dogs. Keep the soldiers rotating in and out so the prisoners cant build relationships. Use incentives. Better food for prisoners who behave. Water and a tasteless multi-nutrient bar for those who act like ****heads. Aside from sorting trash we could also stick them on excersize bikes powering electric generators. Make them generate electricity if nothing else.
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Platonic_Caveman — 6 years ago(January 08, 2020 03:39 AM)
It's mandatory now that all prisoners work while in the pen. It is in California at least. But your choice of access to scrap metal and toxic waste is not a very wise idea.
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Soul_Venom — 6 years ago(January 08, 2020 03:57 AM)
I'm talking about the sorting the type of stuff that ends up in you average trash truck. And doing so under 10x the normal guard and the guards being trained soldiers supervised by experienced civilian professional corrections officers. Will some be stupid enough to test their luck? Sure. Bet they wont try it twice after some soldiers feed them a face full of floor and an ass full of boot. And those soldiers who have altercations can be rotated out to prevent retaliation.
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Platonic_Caveman — 6 years ago(January 08, 2020 04:31 AM)
But I'm telling you I've been in the pen and I know how it works. The guards are not the brightest bulbs on earth. And they can be bribed. And we don't need to waste the defense budget and our military monitoring prisons.
Again, prisoners are already required to work. And maybe in some states they already help in recycling. But your idea of giving access to scrap metal and toxic waste to prisoners is just lunatic.
Why? There's no point. Let them make license plates. Let them eat cake. But keep them away from dangerous materials.
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Soul_Venom — 6 years ago(January 08, 2020 05:20 AM)
We are already wasting the defense budget on substandard training designed for the lowest common denominator. You can trust ME on that. Bribing soldiers who rotate in and out would be considerably more difficult. It also wouldnt cost us more that it already does. These are men who are being paid to train anyway. We are just changing where they do it.
So a prisoner has access to a pile of junk. May contain some scrap or toxic items may not. They work for 8 hours sorting crap under heavy guard. They proceed to the cool down area where they strip naked and pass through a full body scanner. Then they shower and are issued clean jump suits. The dirty are scanned and searched separately before being sent in to clean.
Explain to me how they are going to do a damn thing? With only 8 hours? With armed soldiers watching from elevated positions? 3 shifts never the same pile of trash twice? Drug sniffing dogs patrolling the cell blocks? I dont see them managing to get away with much. Trying sure. Succeeding? Lol!
Those few stupid enough to make multiple attempts can find themselves in solitary with a pedal device that powers the lights. On a diet of water and tasteless nutrient bars.
We dont need a **** load of licence plates. We need to take care of our massive trash problems.
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Platonic_Caveman — 6 years ago(January 08, 2020 05:32 AM)
So while we go to war with Iran you want to tie our military up on a domestic problem of prisons and recycling?
That's not the job of the military and our Department of Defense would be the first to squash your plan. I see no benefit to replacing prison guards with the military.
You want to create some expensive government program to do a job which capitalism will take care of more effectively.
Recycling is a great industry for the private sector which provides jobs.
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Soul_Venom — 6 years ago(January 08, 2020 06:08 AM)
What part of 'lowest common denominator training' did you not hear. It is piss poor training. And you are paying for it with your taxes. And our soldiers are paying for it in blood.
And Iran is irrelevant to the discussion even when some troops are deployed over seas there are still troops training at home.
Were you not ****ing listening? There is little to no cost different between shipping troops to some empty field or village mockup to shipping the to the nearest recycle center. Those centers will pay for themselves by value of the mass of materials recovered. This is forcing the government to engage in capitalism.
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