Thoughts? Did they violate her first amendment rights, or did the school act responsibly by prohibiting religious menti
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rouge — 4 years ago(June 02, 2021 05:55 PM)
I was just at a graduation where the valedictorian rambled about her BFFs and karaoke nights. I wish schools would mitigate that… they’re invited up there to speak on behalf of their class
But seriously speaking, I’m of the opinion that the school does have the right to censor her speech regardless of the content. When I graduated, all speeches had to be reviewed and approved ahead of time. Any deviation, no matter the subject, would be met with scrutiny or rejection. I bet they had the same rule.
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MONGY — 4 years ago(June 02, 2021 06:37 PM)
i think speeches of almost all kinds are a huge waste. something like bald Nikita K at the UN making a ruckus is worthwhile. but anybody who later on says they were "motivated" or "influenced" by a high school grad speech is a clod.
the person who had this honor of giving a valedictorian speech at my HS walked up to the podium, looked out at the class assembled on the football field, glanced at the families in the stands, said " Good bye", and then left. i believe he went to MIT and then a dual law&MBA at harvard. -
rouge — 4 years ago(June 02, 2021 06:42 PM)
the person who had this honor of giving a valedictorian speech at my HS walked up to the podium, looked out at the class assembled on the football field, glanced at the families in the stands, said " Good bye", and then left. i believe he went to MIT and then a dual law&MBA at harvard.
Badass
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Jan_El_Senor — 4 years ago(June 02, 2021 06:10 PM)
I'd have to see the actual speech to decide. I'm leaning towards siding with the school because the topic of faith seems off-topic for a valedictorian speech.
Though using the terminology 'very Christianized' seems like it was intended to invite press coverage and drama.
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Steve Lake — 4 years ago(June 02, 2021 06:19 PM)
The topic can be anything the valedictorian wants it to be. As long as the topic is not advocating for violence against anyone.
Or isn't promoting or calling on others to commit crimes.
Meaning No Antifa or Black Lies Matters references can be or should be allowed.
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FreeHugs — 4 years ago(June 02, 2021 06:25 PM)
The school has now said they will allow her to proceed with a disclaimer saying the school does not endorse the speech.
https://www.christianpost.com/news/school-to-allow-valedictorian-to-give-christianized-speech.html
From that article:
Lefler’s speech encouraged students not to waste their lives, presented the Gospel and shared how trusting in Christ allows one’s purpose to be fulfilled.
“Seeing that man is completely unable to achieve perfection, God made a way for us to be reconciled to Him through the perfect life of Jesus Christ, who is God in flesh,” Lefler’s speech draft read.
“He not only lived perfectly, but he was killed on a cross and took the punishment that humans deserve,” her speech continued. “Then he rose from the dead three days later, thus vindicating His holiness and divinity. This allows us to fulfill our purpose in glorifying God because we can now stand before Him blameless if we repent and trust in Christ and His finished work. May His name be praised forever!”
Lefler’s speech encouraged her classmates to “seek the truth," citing John Piper’s book Don’t Waste Your Life. She argued that the purposes of life reflected by the teachings of Plato, Charles Darwin and other religions are “wrong.”
“The purpose of life is to live a life devoted to Christ,” the draft of her speech read.
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Cerridwen — 4 years ago(June 02, 2021 06:49 PM)
Nah. I'm all for people showing their ass in front of others. She didn't necessarily attack anyone, so the school should let it slide. This will be a lesson in the consequences of preaching to an unwilling audience.
Because of it, some innocent college campus may be spared one sign-wielding, demon-denouncing warrior of God in the future.
I must admit I'm surprised she has the brains to make Valedictorian if she truly believes Darwin was wrong, though.
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Penelope — 4 years ago(June 02, 2021 07:10 PM)
It's a public school, and the law firm representing her: " . . . the school mistakenly interpreted student speeches as communicating on behalf of the school. U.S. Department of Education guidance, as the firm notes, says that graduation speeches are considered private and constitutionally protected."
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MagneticMonopole — 4 years ago(June 02, 2021 07:15 PM)
Right, that's what HER lawyers say–and they may very well be right, but they could also be full of crap. There have been similar cases before where proselytizing speech at a public school was ruled unconstitutional. I just don't remember what the specific rules are.
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rouge — 4 years ago(June 02, 2021 06:54 PM)
Because of it, some innocent college campus may be spared one sign-wielding, demon-denouncing warrior of God in the future.
Hahaha I sent pinky’s article to my husband and he basically had the same response as you: “poor baby, wait until she gets a real position in the real world.”
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Cerridwen — 4 years ago(June 02, 2021 06:57 PM)
She'll either get roasted for her speech after being allowed to give it, or will be vindicated and martyred by the Christian right if denied. Which is the more fun option?
Cynicism aside, it really is a garbage speech, whether or not she should be allowed to give it.
Hark! Harold the angel sings.