A thought experiment for all the sanctimonious virtue signallers
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MagneticMonopole — 5 years ago(March 28, 2021 12:43 PM)
The leftists need to make up their mind. Do they want equality? Do they want to eradicate misogyny? Do they want science to be the answer? Do they want people to be free to love whoever they choose?
In the West, the only people with actual power who are fighting the left on these issues are Christians. So the smart move is to concentrate on them and not Islam. Furthermore, in my country the only Muslims with any significant political power at all are all on the left and therefore my allies.
Since in all likelihood you are a ****wit who is also fighting us on these issues, of course you want us to waste our energy on non-threats. I for one am simply not that stupid.
If so, they need to tackle Islam before they start tearing down the only system that has actually offered them those things.
So you want war? Go **** yourself.
And the left isn't trying to tear down those systems. The Christian right is. So go **** yourself again.
(By the way, if you people were smart instead of the knuckle-dragging idiots you ultimately are, you'd realize that ideologically, fundamentalist Muslims literally have more in common with you than the left and they ought to be your allies in your fight against Western freedoms. Luckily, you folks will never figure this out and will remain divided rather than united.) -
The Ghost of FFS — 5 years ago(March 28, 2021 12:50 PM)
Do you have any idea how irrational that view is?
Your allies in the fight against alleged homophobia, racism, religious bigotry, and misogyny are homophobes, racists, religious bigots and misogynists?
Nice one.
There are two things at play here, I feel. Firstly, you've been indoctrinated by communist thought. Probably in some university someplace, studying a non STEM subject. Secondly, you are driven not by a love of the righteous things you profess to love, but a hatred of straight, white men. Which is why you're able to so easily form an unholy alliance with other groups who are suffering from the same malaise.
What are your thoughts on the OP? Can you find a path that doesn't lead to regime change (and therefore a defense of colonialism)?
R. I. P. FFS (1975-2021)
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MagneticMonopole — 5 years ago(March 28, 2021 01:09 PM)
Do you have any idea how irrational that view is?
It isn't irrational. You're just really, really, really dumb.
Your allies in the fight against alleged homophobia, racism, religious bigotry, and misogyny are homophobes, racists, religious bigots and misogynists?
No, **** for brains. Nothing of the sort was suggested. See how really, really, really dumb you are?
My political allies are the ones who oppose all those things. My enemies are the ones who like them.
In my country, this means right wing Christians are my enemies and left wing Muslims (the Muslims who have power here) are allies.
Not hard to understand, unless you are really, really, really dumb.
Secondly, you are driven not by a love of the righteous things you profess to love, but a hatred of straight, white men.
Yes, not only are you really, really, really dumb, you also have delusions based on zero evidence.
What are your thoughts on the OP? Can you find a path that doesn't lead to regime change (and therefore a defense of colonialism)?
The passage of time is the best and only civil, moral solution. But you want to murder people since you are both evil and really, really, really dumb, so that's not a solution you'll ever contemplate. -
The Ghost of FFS — 5 years ago(March 28, 2021 01:12 PM)
You don't appear to understand Islam at all. I'll let you discover for yourself how ridiculous your position is. I'm more interested in the topic at hand.
The passage of time is the best and only civil, moral solution.
Sorry, what? What exactly will time do? So, no action, just time?
Care to expand on that? Also, how many people will suffer while you just "wait"?
R. I. P. FFS (1975-2021)
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MagneticMonopole — 5 years ago(March 28, 2021 01:31 PM)
You don't appear to understand Islam at all.
Islam isn't the issue, **** for brains. Politics is the issue. Culture is the issue. You are just so dumb you'll never understand.
I am going to do the smart thing and direct all my political energies in my own country to advance my agenda, which means that my allies are leftists and this include Muslims living here who have power and happily share my values.
Literally the only people with power who oppose my agenda are the Christian right, which makes them, not Muslims in other countries, my enemies.
Care to expand on that? Also, how many people will suffer while you just "wait"?
I know for a fact that the policies of my own government are causing a hell of a lot more suffering in other countries than Islam, and is actually responsible for driving people into the arms of fundamentalists, so once again, the best way to focus my energies is to get leftists elected and fight the right wing Christians and other idiots like you who want more war, not less.
Oh, and by the way: you aren't fooling anyone here. You couldn't care less about the suffering of other people under Muslim fundamentalism, especially since most of their evil is directed against fellow Muslims. It probably gives you a hard on and you probably wish you could do the same against people you think hold the wrong views. You just won't admit it. -
The Ghost of FFS — 5 years ago(March 28, 2021 03:41 PM)
LOL at how angry you are.
Are you going to answer my questions? What will time do for this race? Surely time itself does nothing, there needs to be action? How many people will suffer while you just "wait"?
Oh, and by the way: you aren't fooling anyone here. You couldn't care less about the suffering of other people under Muslim fundamentalism, especially since most of their evil is directed against fellow Muslims. It probably gives you a hard on and you probably wish you could do the same against people you think hold the wrong views. You just won't admit it.
I'll ignore this completely unfounded ad hominem. Even if it were true, it doesn't change anything. I've asked you what
you'd
do about an alien race. What I would do is besides the point. Also, Muslims have nothing to do with it. The thought occurred to me when thinking about colonialism.
R. I. P. FFS (1975-2021)
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MagneticMonopole — 5 years ago(March 28, 2021 05:29 PM)
What will time do for this race? Surely time itself does nothing, there needs to be action? How many people will suffer while you just "wait"?
Already answered your question, ****wit. Electing leftists in my country means a less warlike posture in areas dominated by Muslims, less tolerance of oppressive regimes, which translates into less fundamentalism.
Your solution, war, results in the opposite. -
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The Ghost of FFS — 5 years ago(March 28, 2021 07:12 PM)
You didn't offer any solution to the problem in the OP. You went off on some tangent about Muslims.
Your answer to the OP was "time", with absolutely nothing to explain why that alone would fix the problem.
Answer the question, or don't. If you want to make up your own question so you can answer it on both our behalf, by all means, carry on doing what you've been doing. Why don't you make up some even more unsubstantiated claims about me? Maybe I eat babies too?
R. I. P. FFS (1975-2021)
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MagneticMonopole — 5 years ago(March 28, 2021 07:26 PM)
You didn't offer any solution to the problem in the OP. You went off on some tangent about Muslims.
Pumpkin, other people here aren't as stupid as you. I know what the idiotic question in the OP was actually about, and it was indeed about fundamentalist Islam. You aren't fooling anyone.
And my answer, to repeat it so it has some chance of getting into your dumb ass thick skull, is that to fix the problem of fundamentalist Muslims in non Western countries, Westerners must elect more leftists, who will be less inclined to invade or bomb Muslim majority countries and less inclined to support oppressive regimes in Muslim majority countries. Both of these factors are the major driving force behind fundamentalism.
Do that, wait a while, and the problem, such as it is, shrinks to utter insignificance.
But you just want to kill people. You are just as bad, if not worse, than those you want to murder. -
The Ghost of FFS — 5 years ago(March 28, 2021 07:41 PM)
The question was about colonialism. I actually threw in examples found when the Conquistadors landed. If you knew your history, you'd have spotted that.
Instead of looking for something to be offended about, why not join in with the discussion?
I stopped reading after your first paragraph, by the way. I hope you don't mind.
R. I. P. FFS (1975-2021)
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Dazed — 5 years ago(March 28, 2021 02:13 PM)
Your question feels like a trap.
You learn they stone females to death for allowing themselves to be raped. You discover that they bury people alive, or sell them into slavery, as forms of punishment. They have sex with their young, and they kill female babies.
It doesn't sound like the type of place where Sophie or I would be very safe, running still seems the best option.
Also what does "allowing themselves to be raped" mean?
If I were more moral, I'd still look after my own safety first and foremost because I'm no help to anyone if I'm "allowing" myself to be raped, stoned, sold or buried alive.
I understand that trying to change ingrained thinking is almost impossible but recognise that there are innocent victims who need to be helped, people who probably accept this as an inevitable part of their life.
What is the answer? I don't know, what is it?
You stupid fuckers, you know who you are. -
The Ghost of FFS — 5 years ago(March 28, 2021 03:38 PM)
Your question feels like a trap.
Aren't mine always?
I just thought it was a good way of showing that sometimes you have to choose a lesser of two evils. Either stand by and watch as pain and suffering are inflicted on innocents, or you have to act. Invariably, acting leads to violence.
Many an empire was founded this way. It's very easy to look at colonialism and see a crime. Rarely do people see colonialism as the inevitable outcome when a culture with superior morals (from their perspective) starts to explore the world.
R. I. P. FFS (1975-2021)
Murdered by a Teutonic catfish