There’s a huge violent protest happening in Russia against Putin as well
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Platonic_Caveman — 5 years ago(February 07, 2021 04:40 AM)
Jared Kushner said...
OMG… please don't fall into the trap of thinking the Russians weren't the most cold-eyed of aggressors ever, because they were.
Sure. And the alternative to the progressive pro-Russian Marxist regime was the Taliban. The Russians backed the right side. The U.S. didn't and it's paying the price just as it did by overturning Hussein's regime in Iraq. We need to stay the **** outta Asia.
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Jared Kushner — 5 years ago(February 07, 2021 04:43 AM)
Platonic_Caveman said...
Sure. And the alternative to the progressive pro-Russian Marxist regime was the Taliban. The Russians backed the right side. The U.S. didn't and it's paying the price just as it did by overturning Hussein's regime in Iraq. We need to stay the fuck outta Asia.
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Platonic_Caveman — 5 years ago(February 07, 2021 04:50 AM)
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I feel that we have crystallized an issue of vital importance to you; this should weigh in on your political posts, from here on in.
My position hasn't changed. I've been very clear that I oppose both U.S. invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan, yes. And I oppose Biden's upcoming invasion of Syria.
We've been in a constant state of war for 20 years, and off and on for the past 60 years. Enough already.
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Jared Kushner — 5 years ago(February 07, 2021 04:52 AM)
Platonic_Caveman said...
My position hasn't changed. I've been very clear that I oppose both U.S. invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan, yes. And I oppose Biden's upcoming invasion of Syria.
We've been in a constant state of war for 20 years, and off and on for the past 60 years. Enough already.
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Platonic_Caveman — 5 years ago(February 07, 2021 05:04 AM)
Jared Kushner said...
What about the current withdrawal from Yemen?
Our involvement in Yemen is more of the same failed policy embraced by both Republicans and Democrats.
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Platonic_Caveman — 5 years ago(February 07, 2021 05:31 AM)
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But could you credit warmonger Sleepy Joe Biden for it?
I "credit" him for his support of the Neo-Con invasion of Iraq.
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cryptoflovecraft — 5 years ago(February 05, 2021 10:04 PM)
I also must admit I've become very pro-Putin after learning he is a Russian Orthodox believer. It gives him ethical stature. Though of course men like Putin are above good and evil. They have to be.
I've been pro-Putin since I realized that he's been right on every major foreign policy decision going back to the early 2000s including his opposition to the Iraq War and various other US military ventures. Let's not forget, Putin also went to war against corrupt oligarchs in his own country around that same time (many of them fled to Israel, unsurprisingly) and re-nationalized much of the Russian economy after a decade of devastating privatization left the country in near ruin thanks to weak leadership via Yeltsin and American economic "shock therapy" that did more harm than good. America's goal following the end of the Cold War was to keep Russia on a short leash, ever weak and subservient to American/NATO/Atlanticist interests but the unforeseen rise of Putin put a damper on that project. In short, Putin revitalized Russia and made it a bulwark against the aims of neoconservatives hellbent on expanding the American Empire.
The Eurasianist ideas of Aleksandr Dugin have also played a major role in revitalizing Russia and by extension the rest of the Eurasian world (China, Pakistan, Iran etc). I see Duginism as the beginning of the end of the American-Anglo-Zionist world order. Good riddance to it! Americans -
real Americans- should welcome the end of the empire.
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Platonic_Caveman — 5 years ago(February 06, 2021 03:28 AM)
Don't get me wrong on my praise of Putin. As a man he can rot in hell as far as I'm concerned.
I just like him symbolically because he represents the death of the Soviet Union. I keep going back to the fact he was a member of the KGB, a sinister organization which represented the Soviet bureaucracy in all its cunning evil.
Now that same man is just the Russian Orthodox Czar of Russia, as evil as the Czars themselves, but just a Czar, not a member of a Marxist cabal who relied on the genius of Marx and his understanding of class and history.
Marx is formidable. Czars are just despotic monarchs. Nothing's new. America has defeated Russia.
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cryptoflovecraft — 5 years ago(February 06, 2021 04:24 AM)
As you said previously, such men of destiny are beyond good and evil. I see Putin as "good" in so far as he represents active resistance to the American-Zionist empire. I see Hamas and Hezbollah as good guys for much the same reason. I support anti-colonialist struggles all over the world, including in Northern Ireland, Africa and Latin America. My foreign policy positions are actually much closer to those of the classic left than to fascism or Nazism (even though I'm supposedly such a Nazi). It is interesting to note that Hitler actively supported anti-colonialist struggles in places like India and Northern Ireland but he was motivated more by anti-British sentiment than by genuine anti-imperialism (after all, he was an imperialist himself). He also supported the Arabs esp. the Palestinians who themselves were victims of European colonialism.
The Soviet Union of the Stalin era was much closer to being a National Bolshevist state than a genuine Marxist one because Stalin combined Marxism with Russian nationalism, national self-determination (his 'socialism for one nation' idea) and emperor worship i.e., the personality cult of Stalin. Stalin learned early on that Marxism-Leninism could only motivate the Russian people so much. During the Great Patriotic War, he revived symbols of Russia's glorious past, reopened the churches and told the Russian people that they were fighting to save the Motherland. Nationalism, in many ways, saved the Soviet Union from the Germanic invaders, who likewise were motivated by nationalism (though a far more aggressive and imperialistic form of nationalism, at that). Nationalism is fine imo as long as it's non-aggressive nationalism and it stays within its own borders. -
Platonic_Caveman — 5 years ago(February 06, 2021 06:44 AM)
I support Hamas and Hezbollah, but I see Russia as rather ancillary to that conflict. As an American my only concern is a Russian threat to our national security. Trump was genius to embrace Putin. But still, even without Trump, Russia is no longer a threat.
Stalin did fit in with the Marxist outline of history. His was a dictatorship of the proletariat, as despicable as that turned out to be when it's put into effect.
I do think you underestimate the Soviet Union's importance in giving support to minorities at the expense of ethnic Russians. There's even a semi-autonomous Jewish Oblast in Siberia. Though that one may be ironic since it's a frozen wasteland.
The Soviet Union was a quasi-globalist concoction though when it all comes down to it. Real Czarist Orthodox Russia is back.
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cryptoflovecraft — 5 years ago(February 06, 2021 05:13 AM)
America has defeated Russia.
Russia isn't playing the empire game anymore. America is the only one playing that game as the sole superpower in the world. In the end, America will end up defeating itself by overextending itself, much like Alexander and Napoleon…that is, if internal strife and balkanization doesn't rip us apart beforehand. -
Platonic_Caveman — 5 years ago(February 06, 2021 06:21 AM)
Crimea is two thirds ethnic Russian. The majority of Crimeans wanted to leave Ukraine and the Russians had an obligation to step in. Yes, it can be seen as a domestic Russian issue.
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Platonic_Caveman — 5 years ago(February 06, 2021 05:52 PM)
I'm just saying I can see why Russia stepped in. Apparently there was a vote and most Crimeans said they want to join Russia.
Crimea referendum: Voters 'back Russia union'
16 March 2014
Some 95.5% of voters in Crimea have supported joining Russia, officials say, after half the votes have been counted in a disputed referendum.
Crimea's leader says he will apply to join Russia on Monday. Russia's Vladimir Putin has said he will respect the Crimean people's wishes.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26606097
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Corwin — 5 years ago(February 06, 2021 06:27 PM)
You have got to be kidding. Read the article you posted (I did). The referendum was widely condemned as illegal and illegitimate, the pro-Kiev people didn't vote, and it was carried out after the Russians had taken over. Lol!
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Platonic_Caveman — 5 years ago(February 06, 2021 06:48 PM)
Yes, I read it. The "Ukrainian" side boycotted the vote. They have no one to blame but themselves.
Dude, if Russia had really wanted to grab The Crimea they could have done it at the dissolution of the Soviet Union. They didn't.
I like Putin because the Czar is back.
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