So you would be OK forcing a victim of rape or incest to carry a baby?
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Lilith — 5 years ago(September 21, 2020 01:39 AM)
That's why I'm waiting for his reply. The "pro-lifers" put all this forced value on a fetus as being more important than a woman and her body, and the impact this has on her life from that moment and for the rest of her life. Men can just conveniently walk away and have no burden, have no physical or psychological impact thrust upon them. If they get raped and they're 10 or 11 years old, or however old, a forced pregnancy could destroy her chances of having a healthy reproductive system when she IS ready to choose to have a family. Ahh but so what, right? Just buck up?
I also want to know his answer because of the strong definition of "personhood." How far does that go? If one is going to claim a fetus is a "person" then I sincerely want confirmation that it should also extend to benefits such as a stimulus package and benefits extended to other "persons." You can't say, "oh but they're not REALLY persons" can you? Is a fetus a "person" only when it's convenient?
See what I mean? I'm open for dialogue because I'm honestly curious about how this gets processed, perceived, and explained.
I simply believe a woman should have autonomy over her own body, and strangers have no right to tell her what to do regarding something so personal. They care right up until the moment after birth.
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Soul_Venom — 5 years ago(September 21, 2020 02:25 AM)
A person for me implies it can survive outside of the body. A bunch of cells in the early days does not fit that critiria.
So if you are on life support can I kill you?
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Soul_Venom — 5 years ago(September 21, 2020 02:43 AM)
You didn't answer the question.
Besides I'm just using your own justification against you so if it seems retarded when mirrored back at you you might want to examine the 'logic' you used that got us here.
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frazz — 5 years ago(September 21, 2020 05:26 AM)
A newborn can survive outside the uterus but not if it was delivered in a snowstorm and abandoned. The uterus protects the embryo and its growth. So it doesn't make sense to take an embryo out of the uterus and say that's okay. It's not okay to abandon a newborn to die.
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MovieManCin2 — 5 years ago(September 21, 2020 02:29 AM)
The unborn child is a person imho, and abortion is therefore murder. And your argument about stimulus checks is
beyond silly
and immaterial.
And yes, a woman should have rights over
her body
, but not over
another person's body.
And the child is another person.
MAGA! FAFO!
Schrodinger's Cat walks into a bar, and doesn't. Dumbocraps: evil people who celebrate murder. 
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Lilith — 5 years ago(September 21, 2020 02:37 AM)
It's a legitimate question. If you're going to refer to a fetus as a "person" and grant that "person" the status of "personhood" and protective status as such, then they should then be entitled to situations such as the stimulus package and benefits that "persons" are entitled to. Give me one good reason why they should not be if they are "persons." It's a legitimate question.
Without judgment and calling my queries silly, answer the question. You're claiming the fetus is entitled to be called a "person" and be protected under that reasoning, but then you're back-pedaling and changing the parameters of what determines "personhood?"
That fetus is inside her body, and as long as it remains there, it is within her domain.
As far as Soul-Venom who I'm still hoping replies, I'm still curious where you draw the lines,….an elderly person on life support? Not the same comparison because they are a born human being, not an unborn fetus (in case he reads this).
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MovieManCin2 — 5 years ago(September 21, 2020 02:43 AM)
I disagree. And I did
not
backpedal.
I said that the unborn child is a person, and I stand by that. And your stimulus check argument is
silly
. It's only the
head of household
who gets a stimulus check. They don't give them
to children.
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Lilith — 5 years ago(September 21, 2020 02:55 AM)
The legislation will give single adults who reported adjusted gross income of $75,000 or less on their 2019 tax returns a one-time check for $1,200. Married couples who filed jointly will receive $2,400. Families will get an additional $500 for each child under 17.
Yes, so "persons under 18" do indeed get checks, so
@Soul_Venom
do fetuses who are "persons" get checks?
There's more info than that, as this is an evolving situation. It's hardly a silly argument if you insist on referring to a fetus as a person, then select to redefine the terms of "personhood." It's illogical and impractical to do so.
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Soul_Venom — 5 years ago(September 21, 2020 03:11 AM)
The unborn have their own DNA.
They have their own heartbeats
They feel pain independant of the mother.
They have their own brainwaves.
They are fully human in every way that matters.
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Soul_Venom — 5 years ago(September 21, 2020 03:00 AM)
I simply believe a woman should have autonomy over her own body
Except that is the point. We are NOT just talking about a womans body. We are not dealing with 1 body we are dealing with 2 bodies which means that the rights of BOTH parties need to be accounted for.
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