after Donald Trump, that is?
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Platonic_Caveman β 5 years ago(July 04, 2020 05:06 PM)
Conservatives and many Republicans will disagree on FDR though. They'll blame him for creeping socialism. But I think you need to distance yourself from personal political judgment when you rank historical figures though. FDR's impact was monumental whether you like it or not.
I'm curious since you're a liberal, are you objective enough to say Ronald Reagan was a great president? He was important in setting a conservative agenda, and ending the Cold War.
Can you set left and right aside and acknowledge both Roosevelt and Reagan? (Not on Rushmore but in general)?
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β 5 years ago(July 04, 2020 08:09 PM)- Reagan is one of the main reasons for the protracted economic disparity between minority communities and white communities. He also started the BS , βwar on drugsβ to feed the prison industrial complex. There are a hell of a lot of issues with Reagan that conservatives will obviously ignore when they worship him, because none of these things demonstrably affected white and more affluent communities.
Therefore, no I donβt agree with you on Reagan.
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- Reagan is one of the main reasons for the protracted economic disparity between minority communities and white communities. He also started the BS , βwar on drugsβ to feed the prison industrial complex. There are a hell of a lot of issues with Reagan that conservatives will obviously ignore when they worship him, because none of these things demonstrably affected white and more affluent communities.
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Platonic_Caveman β 5 years ago(July 04, 2020 08:56 PM)
Overall I think Reagan was bad for the country domestically. But he did end the Cold War, a major accomplishment. You're being too partisan here. All the great Presidents were not liberal Democrats. There has to be a consensus of left and right to make that determination.
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DrakeStraw β 5 years ago(July 04, 2020 05:27 PM)
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FDR was arguably the best President of all time.
I'll argue that point. His overall policy extended the Depression in the U.S. up until WWII when parts of it had to be abandoned for practical reasons. The Depression was over much earlier in other countries.
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Damien Thorn 666 β 5 years ago(July 04, 2020 05:00 PM)
Since Trump is a Narcissist, he will use his authority to end up on Mount Rushmore to remain forever remembered. He deserves it though.
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Platonic_Caveman β 5 years ago(July 04, 2020 05:10 PM)
Russell no no NO. Like I said, it's too soon to say Trump is one of the 5 greatest presidents. Wait 50 to 100 years and we'll see.
If you look at polls many American idiots are saying JFK is the greatest President of all time. That's ridiculous. He's more recent and people are emotional about him because he was assassinated and goodlooking. Let historians judge in 100 years.
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β 5 years ago(July 04, 2020 08:41 PM)JFK has the benefit of the halo effect and some recency bias. The bottom line is , he was killed before he could complete many of his objectives in office.
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Platonic_Caveman β 5 years ago(July 04, 2020 08:58 PM)
Johnson was a greater President than Kennedy. Johnson and Nixon are the ones who pushed through all the Civil Rights legislation.
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β 5 years ago(July 04, 2020 09:17 PM)Johnson was one of the good ones but he pushed through legislation that Kennedy would have pushed and his administration created. Thatβs like giving the backup quarterback credit for winning a game after the starter gets knocked out and the team already had the lead.
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β 5 years ago(July 04, 2020 08:53 PM)Iβm also glad nobody said Lincoln. Lincoln didnβt really care about slavery, he only sought to preserve the Union by any means necessary and snuff out Southern insurrection. If he could have preserved the Union without outlawing slavery he would have, and he admitted this himself many times.
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Platonic_Caveman β 5 years ago(July 04, 2020 09:00 PM)
Lincoln is on Mount Rushmore. But he was the President who ended slavery. That he was racist himself is irrelevant.
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β 5 years ago(July 04, 2020 09:14 PM)Yeah I know heβs there but Iβm talking about who can be considered a βGreat President.β I canβt consider him one of them.
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Platonic_Caveman β 5 years ago(July 04, 2020 09:21 PM)
Lincoln won the Civil War and freed the slaves. I don't know who qualifies as a great President if he doesn't. Again, his personal racism is irrelevant if it didn't affect his administration.
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β 5 years ago(July 04, 2020 10:04 PM)Iβm going to copy paste my response to Kushner:
And the years that followed werenβt that much better for emancipated slaves. Unless you think years of subjugation and persecution post- emancipation was the endgame. A great President would have done everything in his power to see the people he sought to free made equal in society shortly after the war. He didnβt care as long as the Union was preserved.
By Lincolnβs own admission if he could have ended the war and saved the union WITHOUT freeing the slaves he would have. How can you exalt someone for freeing slaves whose freedom he Admitted he didnβt value? You guys learned all your history from American textbooks that exclude these details and nuances, thatβs why.
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