Including a statue of Robert E Lee in Richmond.
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Corwin — 5 years ago(June 07, 2020 06:24 PM)
I definitely take your point on the Founding Fathers who were also slaveowners, and their statues' day might come, some day.
But beyond being merely a slaveowner, Lee is arguably a symbol of a slave-state in the making, the Confederacy. The Confederacy was about slavery. If you want to argue it was also about states' rights or mint juleps I will just have a nice laugh. -
Platonic_Caveman — 5 years ago(June 07, 2020 06:35 PM)
I was taught in school that the Civil War was about state's rights, not slavery. I had a good laugh at that one even when I was a kid. I agree with you there.
But you really think Jefferson's statue would or should come down because he owned slaves? I hope that kind of absurd denial and retroactive faux morality never sweeps this country.
Both the Union and the Confederacy had abominable practices. Women couldn't vote, homosexuals were thrown in prison, 10 year olds were forced to work in factories, blah blah blah. You can't judge those men by today's standards. Robert E Lee worked within the framework of the cards he was dealt by history.
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The Real Donna — 5 years ago(June 07, 2020 09:27 PM)
I doubt that Jefferson's black mistress had that much issue with being his mistress. Besides, Jefferson is long dead. People need to get over it. Lol a white man has never raped me. Never ever. I can't say that about any other race or ethnic man.
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MovieManCin2 — 5 years ago(June 09, 2020 05:09 AM)
You're welcome, PC! As usual, you're the voice of reason in the face of the stupidity and hysteria of the great unwashed masses.
MAGA! FAFO!
Schrodinger's Cat walks into a bar, and doesn't. Dumbocraps: evil people who celebrate murder. 
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MovieManCin2 — 5 years ago(June 09, 2020 04:21 AM)
They're
not
in the same league. Lee got a few statues in the South,
big deal.
He's a large part of American history, and as such deserves the recognition.
On the other hand, George Washington is revered by the entire country! We named our capital and an entire State for Washington. He's also on the one dollar bill!
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Lilith — 5 years ago(June 08, 2020 12:47 AM)
I called it.
Ever see the movie DEMOTION MAN?
We're moving to that society where we're eradicating unpleasant parts of history instead of using them to teach and moving forward as tools and learning implements so we do not repeat them.
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Corwin — 5 years ago(June 08, 2020 12:56 AM)
why not just put the statues in a museum, then?
besides, those statues are not about reminding people about the horrors of slavery or the Civil War. they were sculpted and placed in parks and plazas to celebrate the cause. -
Lilith — 5 years ago(June 08, 2020 01:00 AM)
They were initially put there for that reason. We can repurpose them.
Just like the movie DEMOLITION MAN, everything in that futuristic society that's found distasteful gets hidden from view and locked away and people don't see it.
When's the last time you went to a museum?
Regardless of where it is, the message remains; We use the opportunity to teach our children, and so forth, about the atrocities of our history. We don't rewrite it so our kids grow up unaware of names or visuals.
Do we always just remove things that make us uncomfortable, and lock them away? Or do we become stronger by learning how to deal with them and teach our kids just what the truth is behind them?
I'm not a fan of revisionism.
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Corwin — 5 years ago(June 08, 2020 02:38 AM)
Lol. I can just see driving by a big ol' statue of Goebbels in Paris or Heydrich in Prague.
I will tell you a little story. In the early 2000s for a few years I had to visit the UN in Vienna every 6 months or so (tough gig). There was a huge picture of former Secretary-General Kurt Waldheim, an Austrian and a former Nazi military officer, in the lobby. I had to traipse by that picture of that goddamn Nazi every morning, and i began to loathe it, and I am not even Jewish. It was not 'history' that had the Austrians and the UN keep his gigantic photo up at the front - it was a choice. There were and are many alternatives that could have greeted visitors and staff every day. -