So now its a fence and not a wall; Not going to overturn RVW….
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BruceTJenner — 9 years ago(November 13, 2016 10:42 PM)
But we already have a fence in parts of the southern boarder. And people still get in - that's why Trump used the term WALL - if it didn't matter then I guess we can just grab some thread and used that a bearer, right? You're not making sense.
A Wall provides more protection than a fence and is less penetrable - it's more beneficial for keeping those people that are taking our jobs (with the help of Big Republican Business owners that hire them - though no one mentions that) which was the whole point - now that it has been shown that it's unlikely to happen via a GOP congress - you now change your tune and say "well just build something" - see things like that is why they do what they do - because you are not holding your party responsible for the things they promised.
He said a WALL - you should demand a wall - since that's what you voted for - not rope, or string, or a bearer or dirt.
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TrashcanDude — 9 years ago(November 14, 2016 07:41 AM)
But we already have a fence in parts of the southern boarder. And people still get in
Not the whole border. They can go over the top, through it, or under it. All of that can be stopped or dramatically reduced. No one except you are making a big deals out of what the wall looks likes.
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BruceTJenner — 9 years ago(November 14, 2016 04:03 PM)
Not the whole border. They can go over the top, through it, or under it. All of that can be stopped or dramatically reduced. No one except you are making a big deals out of what the wall looks likes.
No Trump made the biggest big deal about it - what the wall would look like since it was posted on his website - loud out loud - with illustrations and everything. Have you ever been to the southern boarder - do you even live in a boarder state? You act as if we don't have any broader patrol or agents to stop people now.
If I was contractor and made the same promises Trump did in regards to a wall and gave you a fence you would sue me for misrepresentation.
A wall is not the same as a fence and the fact that you have to try to convince yourself of that instead of being upset at your GOP congress who is supporting a fence instead of the "great" wall speaks volumes. You're making a bunch of excuses and just saying well build anything - which is what we already have - hence why you guys had the problem and supported a GIANT WALL in the first place.
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BruceTJenner — 9 years ago(November 14, 2016 06:15 PM)
So first you say you want a WALL - then when it's pointed out that their probably won't be a WALL because of the GOP congress - that you voted into power - doesn't want one you say "well just build something - don't care if it's a fence" - then when it's pointed out that we already have a fence - and that people still get in - hence why Trump said we need a WALL - you say "well no one but me cares what this wall is supposed to look like" - then when it's pointed out that Trump actually cared and gave illustrations and dimensions on his website to his supporters for at least a year - your response is:
"yada yada yada."
I hope no one ever takes you seriously on his board (I don't think most did in the first place) but instead of actually saying well you have a point or yeah you're right the GOP is not doing what "we the people wanted when we voted Trump into office" - you just say you don't care. You really didn't care about the issues in the first place and that's what people have been saying about you deporlables from jump street - if cared you would be outraged - but you don't you're vote was a protest vote for a bigot with NO experience because that bigot had white skin.
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TrashcanDude — 9 years ago(November 14, 2016 08:15 PM)
It is you no one will take seriously. You ramble on and on about what a wall is supposed to look like instead of what a wall will do. I care about what people call me, too. It that some on here call ridiculous names and have to be either ignored or laughed at.
I proudly cast my protest vote, and I'd do it again tomorrow. I think you don't know what kind of betrayal people have had over the last couple of decades by their own elected government. This is what happens when you betray us. Do our bidding, and do it honestly, or get out of town.
Anyone that does not like that can suck eggs. We won this time. trump will turn the town upside down.
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BruceTJenner — 9 years ago(November 14, 2016 08:36 PM)
It is you no one will take seriously. You ramble on and on about what a wall is supposed to look like instead of what a wall will do. I care about what people call me, too. It that some on here call ridiculous names and have to be either ignored or laughed at.
No people will take me seriously - if what I'm saying makes sense and is logical they may not agree but YOU don't make any sense nor are you being logical and when I show you how you're not making logical sense you respond like a child with "yada,yada,yada"
This isn't about what a WALL will look like as in what color - will be or what what type of design if any it will have. The point which you are purposely ignoring & now trying to save face by ignoring is that IT WON'T BE A WALL - IT WILL BE A FENCE PER CONGRESS. WE ALREADY HAVE A FENCE AND THAT HAS NOT KEPT PEOPLE OUT SO THAT'S WHY TRUMP PROPOSED A WALL - A WALL THAT THE GOP CONGRESS DOES NOT WANT - SO IF THEY BUILD A FENCE INSTEAD OF A WALL - WHICH WE ALREADY HAVE - THEN WHAT IS THIS FENCE SUPPOSED TO DO THAT THE OTHER FENCE DIDN'T DO?
This is what a wall looks like (Trump promised):
https://c1.staticflickr.com/8/7465/15794121085_b27d4f63f4_b.jpg
This is what a fence looks like (congress wants):
http://www.minutemanhq.com/images/nacofence_03.jpg
They are NOT the same - so its not a matter of cosmetics - as you seen to be referring - they are not one in the same.
^^^^^you keep talking about a wall when that's not what the congress wants to build - so are mad at congress for not wanting to go forward with the WALL? Or, is it like I suspected and you really don't care and it was just about making sure a bigot got into the white house - basically a protest vote?
I proudly cast my protest vote, and I'd do it again tomorrow. I think you don't know what kind of betrayal people have had over the last couple of decades by their own elected government. This is what happens when you betray us. Do our bidding, and do it honestly, or get out of town.
I'm pointing out about government betrayal in this very post - and yet you keep ignoring it since it's being done by your grand ole party. People who voted for Trump want a wall - these same people most likely voted for a GOP congress to support Trump - now if that GOP congress is now saying they want a fence - isn't that a government betrayal? And, are you mad at that betrayal? They got your vote and now are saying they want to scale back that wall to an inferior fence.
You can't talk out of both sides of your mouth. Either you're mad at government betrayal - in which case - this should bother you - or you're just a partisan hack.
Anyone that does not like that can suck eggs. We won this time. trump will turn the town upside down.
What have you really won. He's not touching abortion or marriage - and the wall is now a fence. The deportation of 3 million is just 1 million up from the 2 that Obama deported and won't make a dent in the 12 million that are here. His cabinet is full of the same insiders and establishment that people like you complained about. So what have you won? You have a bigot in the white house (confirmed by his pick of Steve Bannon) - is that what you call winning - voting in a guy who walks back on all and/or most his promises.
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BruceTJenner — 9 years ago(November 14, 2016 10:11 PM)
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IThinkImMe — 9 years ago(November 13, 2016 10:01 PM)
Seriously.. did you listen to a different interview than I did? Because he said, outright, that 'some parts' will need a fence but most of it will be a wall and that the whole RVW thing is on the backburner Seriously?
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BruceTJenner — 9 years ago(November 13, 2016 10:11 PM)
Did you hear Leslie Stahl when she said that the establishment Republicans - you know the ones who need to pass the 10 billion for a wall - want a fence? So if they don't pass the budget and want a fence - unless Trump spends his own money - who is going to pay for a wall?
And RVWADE - he said he would hand over to the states - he said he was pro-life and that he would put a judge on the court who shared that view - no where did he say he would challenge to overturn abortion federally - matter of fact he said we were a long way from even getting there - let me guess how long that is - about 8 years.
Yet some people were under the guise that he would call for the court to overturn it asap - yet his answer was no were near the conviction he displayed during his campaign.
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IThinkImMe — 9 years ago(November 13, 2016 10:19 PM)
You just go on hearing what you want to hear. BTW The budget for the fence/wall comes out of the aid we give to Mexico so they would definitely be encouraged to build it as quick as possible to get that money back. Not like they don't deal with this kind of shyt on their southern border already
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BruceTJenner — 9 years ago(November 13, 2016 10:33 PM)
You just go on hearing what you want to hear.
No, I heard Leslie right the first time she said that the Republicans want a fence. Pull the transcript and correct me if that's not what she said.
The president of Mexico has said they are NOT paying for a wall - in TRUMPS orange face - and what did Trump say - not a thing - nothing - his response was "well we didn't discuss that". Um, that would have been the first thing we would have discussed.
If congress wants a fence we are getting a fence - if Trump was this big bad person who thought for himself and had his own ideas - he wouldn't have hired the establishment he spoke out against. Think of it as a marriage one will eventually start to influence the other - and we have already seen who going to wear the pants in this relationship - hint: it ain't the guy with no government experience.
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IThinkImMe — 9 years ago(November 13, 2016 10:41 PM)
What she said and what he said are two different stories.. It's amazing you can't accept his answer.Mexico IS NOT PAYING FOR THE WALL anyways.. citing previous statement.
P.S. Hillary wanted a 'fence' too.. But if you've seen Sicario, you'll know what's really going on down there.. A wall is the minimum we need in certain areas.
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BruceTJenner — 9 years ago(November 13, 2016 10:49 PM)
You said I heard what I wanted to hear and now you are saying that in fact they said two different things - so I didn't "just hear what I want to hear" - I heard her correctly when she said that Congress wants a fence - Trump said he wants a Wall - who will win - again it's not going to be the guy who flip flops on his promise of cleaning establishment house - and then hires that same establishment as his direct advisers. Common sense tells me that congress - you know the people who do this and have been doing this for a living know how to play this game more than someone who has filed bankruptcy 4 times.
Business as usual.
And, Hillary may have wanted a fence but she didn't promise us anything other than a fence - this is about Donald and him not being able to do the MAIN thing he said he was going to do.
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IThinkImMe — 9 years ago(November 13, 2016 10:53 PM)
So she was PRO gay marriage the entire time as well? Throwing stones in a glass house leaves no one unprotected.
The main thing he wants is to get rid of criminals and gang members. Are you serously 'pro-choice' on the matter?
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BruceTJenner — 9 years ago(November 13, 2016 11:01 PM)
This isn't a referendum on Hillary she is not the president elect. This is about Donald not being able to fulfill the main thing he promised to fulfill. Someone said that once this country is financial destroyed via the Donald and his catastrophic economic polices - will people finally get why - everyone - across party lines warned us that he would be bad for the country? Will they take some blame for voting that unqualified bigot into office and cutting off their noses to spite their faces? And, someone said NO - they'll just blame Obama - and your response proves that.
I bring up Donald's flip flipping and inability to deliver his main promise of building a wall - thanks to a GOP congress that his supporters also voted for - and you bring up Hillary. You see how silly and ridiculous that sounds?
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BruceTJenner — 9 years ago(November 13, 2016 11:12 PM)
Sounds like you're mad at Hillary for Donald walking back on his promises - or not being able to fulfill them due to a GOP congress - sounds like you have some misdirected anger -maybe you should see someone about that - or should pick up a hammer and some nails and use that anger toward something positive and beneficial to this country like BUILDING A WOODEN FENCE
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