..intervene in human affairs or answer Prayers?
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Soul_Venom — 1 month ago(February 27, 2026 08:39 AM)
Chuck, you've been throwing shade, calling this "desert fairy tales" and believers delusional, but you've yet to engage the actual evidence stack. Your AI debunk was a surface-level dodge—historical context without numbers, selective interpretations without probability. Let's end this with the full picture: the resurrection of Jesus as historical fact is the cornerstone that validates everything else we've discussed. If Jesus rose from the dead (as the evidence overwhelmingly supports), then He is God incarnate, the Scriptures He affirmed are divinely inspired, and every prophecy, miracle, geological alignment, and improbability we've covered becomes part of a single, coherent divine reality. The cumulative probability against all this being coincidence is so astronomical it's beyond rational denial. Here's the complete case, buried in hard math, Bayesian reasoning, and scholarly weight you can't hand-wave away.
- The Resurrection as Historical Fact – The Linchpin
Jesus claimed divinity (John 8:58 "Before Abraham was, I AM"; John 10:30 "I and the Father are one"). He predicted His death and resurrection (Mark 8:31, 9:31, 10:34; Matthew 12:40 Jonah sign). The evidence:
Crucifixion confirmed by Roman and Jewish sources (Tacitus Annals 15.44; Josephus Antiquities 18.3.3; Talmud Sanhedrin 43a).
Empty tomb: ~75% of scholars (even critical ones like Bart Ehrman) accept it as historical fact.
Post-mortem appearances to disciples, women, 500+ at once (1 Corinthians 15:3-8, early creed dated ~35-38 CE).
Radical transformation: disciples from fleeing cowards to willing martyrs; Paul from persecutor to apostle after encounter.
No viable naturalistic alternatives: swoon theory fails medical scrutiny; hallucination can't explain group/empty tomb; theft doesn't explain conversions.
Scholarly Probability Assessments:
N.T. Wright (leading NT historian): The resurrection is the "best historical explanation" for the data—"virtually certain" in the same category as well-attested ancient events like Jerusalem's fall in 70 CE.
Gary Habermas' survey of 1,400+ publications: 75%+ of scholars affirm the "minimal facts" (crucifixion, empty tomb, appearances, disciples' belief change).
Bayesian analysis:
Richard Swinburne (Oxford philosopher of religion): Assigns ~97% probability that God raised Jesus, given the prior evidence for God's existence + specific resurrection data outweighing miracle skepticism.
Timothy & Lydia McGrew (philosophers/historians): Using Bayes' theorem on the appearances and empty tomb alone, the posterior odds against chance are on the order of 10^34 to 1 (1 in 10^34 chance of occurring naturally).
Even skeptical priors (e.g., Hume-style 1 in 10^9 against miracles) get overwhelmed by the evidence strength.
If the resurrection is fact (and the math/scholarship says it is), then Jesus is God. That single event authenticates His entire testimony—including the truth of the Old Testament, the reality of creation, the Flood, and all future prophecy. - Reinforced Prophetic Fulfillments
Jesus affirmed Scripture's authority ("the Scripture cannot be broken" John 10:35). His resurrection proves He spoke truth, so every OT prophecy He fulfilled or referenced gains divine credibility.
Messianic Prophecies on Jesus:
Peter Stoner calculation (endorsed by American Scientific Affiliation):
8 specific prophecies: 1 in 10^17 (e.g., Bethlehem birth 1/10^5, 30 pieces silver 1/10^3, pierced hands/feet 1/10^3, silent before accusers 1/10^3, etc.).
Analogy: Cover Texas 2 feet deep in silver dollars, mark one, blindfold someone—they pick the marked one first try.
16 prophecies: 1 in 10^45
48 prophecies: 1 in 10^157 (far exceeds estimated atoms in observable universe ~10^80)
Full count (300–574 per Payne/Edersheim): conservatively 10^638+ — mathematically impossible by chance.
Post-Christ Fulfillments:
Temple destruction (Matthew 24:1-2): Fulfilled 70 CE (Josephus eyewitness).
Jerusalem trampled by Gentiles (Luke 21:24): Until 1967 recapture.
Diaspora & regathering: Deuteronomy 28:64-68, Ezekiel 36-37, Isaiah 11:11-12, 66:8 ("nation born in a day"). 1948 odds of survival + reformation: Hugh Ross 1 in 10^13.
Daniel 9:24-27 70 weeks: 483 prophetic years (173,880 days) from Artaxerxes 445 BCE decree → April 6, 32 CE (Palm Sunday/crucifixion). Exact match.
Current alignment: Ezekiel 38-39 (Russia-Iran coalition vs Israel). February 2026: Iran-Russia military pact deepening, IRGC drills, Trump warnings of "bad things" by mid-March. Odds of this geopolitical match ~1/10^5 conservatively. - Miracles – Ongoing Validation
Resurrection empowers believers ("greater works" John 14:12). Historical: 400+ documented saint resurrections (Fr. Hebert); Vincent Ferrer 28-30 (1455 canonization trials); Francis Xavier multiple drowned revivals (1622). Modern: 70 Vatican-approved Lourdes healings (e.g., Sr. Bernadette Moriau MS cure 2018; Jean-Pierre Bely 1987). Eucharistic miracles: Buenos Aires 1990s (under Bergoglio/Pope Francis), Legnica 2013—host
- The Resurrection as Historical Fact – The Linchpin
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Madotsuki_the_Dreamer — 1 month ago(February 27, 2026 09:25 AM)
Alright, let's break this down and show why this so-called "mathematical proof" of Jesus's resurrection is about as solid as a house of cards in a hurricane. We'll tackle each section with the precision of a scalpel and the ruthlessness of a chainsaw.
The Resurrection as Historical Fact – The Linchpin
Claims and Counterpoints
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Jesus' Claims of Divinity and Predictions
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Claim
: Jesus claimed divinity and predicted his death and resurrection.
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Counterpoint
: Claims of divinity and self-prophecy are common in various religious and cultural contexts. They don't inherently validate truth but rather reflect the cultural and psychological milieu of the time.
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Historical Confirmation of Crucifixion
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Claim
: Crucifixion confirmed by Roman and Jewish sources.
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Counterpoint
: While Tacitus and Josephus mention a "Christus" and the Talmud references a "hanged man," these sources are far from definitive proofs of the supernatural. They merely confirm that a man named Jesus was crucified, which is historically plausible without any divine intervention.
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Empty Tomb
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Claim
: ~75% of scholars accept the empty tomb as historical fact.
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Counterpoint
: The empty tomb is a weak argument. It relies heavily on the assumption that the tomb was indeed empty and not merely misidentified or relocated. Moreover, the reliability of the witnesses (who were likely biased) is questionable.
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Post-Mortem Appearances
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Claim
: Appearances to disciples, women, and 500+ at once.
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Counterpoint
: Group hallucinations are well-documented phenomena. The reliability of these accounts is dubious, especially given the emotional and psychological state of the witnesses.
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Radical Transformation of Disciples
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Claim
: Disciples went from cowards to martyrs.
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Counterpoint
: Human behavior can change drastically due to a variety of factors, including social dynamics, psychological trauma, and ideological conversion. Martyrdom is not unique to Christianity and can be observed in other religious and political movements.
Scholarly Probability Assessments
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N.T. Wright's Assessment
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Claim
: Resurrection is the "best historical explanation."
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Counterpoint
: Wright's assessment is subjective and influenced by his theological bias. Historical explanations can be multifaceted and do not require supernatural intervention.
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Gary Habermas' Survey
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Claim
: 75%+ of scholars affirm the "minimal facts."
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Counterpoint
: Surveys can be misleading. The "minimal facts" are often cherry-picked to support a pre-existing belief system. Moreover, consensus among scholars does not equate to truth; it merely indicates popular opinion within a field.
Bayesian Analysis
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Claim
: Swinburne assigns ~97% probability; McGrew et al. find odds of 10^34 to 1.
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Counterpoint
: Bayesian analysis is only as good as the priors and likelihoods assigned. These probabilities are highly dependent on subjective interpretations and assumptions. For example, assigning a prior probability to miracles based on Hume's skepticism already biases the outcome.
Reinforced Prophetic Fulfillments
Messianic Prophecies
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Peter Stoner's Calculation
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Claim
: Probabilities for specific prophecies fulfilled by Jesus.
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Counterpoint
: Stoner's calculations are flawed. They assume independent events when many prophecies are interdependent. Moreover, the selection of prophecies is biased towards those that can be interpreted as fulfilled by Jesus.
Post-Christ Fulfillments
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Temple Destruction and Jerusalem Trampled
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Claim
: Fulfilled prophecies regarding temple destruction and Jerusalem.
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Counterpoint
: These events can be explained by historical and political factors without invoking divine intervention. The destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans in 70 CE was a well-documented historical event with clear political and military causes.
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Diaspora and Regathering
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Claim
: Odds of Israel's survival and regathering.
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Counterpoint
: Historical events can have multiple causes and are not necessarily evidence of divine intervention. The survival and regathering of Israel can be attributed to geopolitical factors and human agency.
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Daniel 9:24-27
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Claim
: Exact match of prophetic years.
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Counterpoint
: The interpretation of prophetic years is subjective and can be manipulated to fit various historical events. The "exact match" is a result of selective interpretation rather than objective evidence.
Miracles – Ongoing Validation
Historical Miracles
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Claim
: Documented saint resurrections and Eucharistic miracles.
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Counterpoint
: Historical miracles are often shrouded in legend and myth. The reliability of these accounts is questionable, and many can be explained by natural phenomena or exaggeration over time.
Modern Miracles
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Claim
: Lourdes healings and Eucharistic miracles.
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Counterpoint
: Modern miracles are subject to scientific scrutiny. Many alleged miracles can be explained by medical conditions or psychological factors. The approval rate of <1% suggests that most cl -
Soul_Venom — 1 month ago(February 27, 2026 03:46 PM)
Lol!
Let me guess. You asked the AI to show proof the resurrection was fake but did not allow the AI to see any of our prior discussion.
Cause that's the exact sort of nonsense I got when I asked it to do the same thing.
Try again but this time copy pause our prior discussion in to it can evaluate all the data.
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Soul_Venom — 4 weeks ago(March 03, 2026 07:45 PM)
I assume that is what the AI told YOU.
You should have informed the AI that you are not warren. I am sure the AI would have apologized for the misunderstanding.
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Soul_Venom — 1 month ago(February 24, 2026 09:00 AM)
He does.
He may no long need to act on "10 plagues of Egypt" level but He definitely acts. He also answers prayers. Though the most common answer is "No." because people tend to ask for things they don't need or which would be actively bad for them.
Keep in mind that His definition of bad for you is different than yours. For example you may think that winning the lottery and becoming a millionaire is 'good' for you. But He can see you falling prey to temptation and vice and ending up far away from Him. If you end your life far from God you end up in hell. That is bad for you. [DUH!] Thus He will only give you things that bring you closer to Him, this can include trials and tribulations.
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Soul_Venom — 1 month ago(February 25, 2026 08:18 PM)
Well, first off the Bible is full of them. If that ain't good enough check any Christian forum. And if you still aint satisfied look to the Oval Office.
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Soul_Venom — 1 month ago(February 27, 2026 08:20 AM)
He did. 2000 years ago on the cross. That was like D-Day. After that german's fall was inevitable to any outside observer. There was just to much force coming at the nazi's to ever overcome.
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Soul_Venom — 1 month ago(February 27, 2026 08:28 AM)
No. Not whatever. It is important and one of the biggest misconceptions out there.
https://www.filmboards.com/board/t/Christianity-not-protected-by-the-1st-Amendment-3280694/
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Soul_Venom — 1 month ago(February 27, 2026 05:04 PM)
In Luke 22:36 (NLT), Jesus tells his disciples to buy a sword, saying: “But now,” he said, “take your money and a traveler’s bag. And if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one!”
Jesus IS God. He knew all about guns.
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LadyGigi Savige — 1 month ago(February 27, 2026 06:48 PM)
A sword is not the same as a firearm. Also, a lot of Jesus' messages were proverbs so I would have to read the context of your quote otherwise you might be misinterpreting scripture.
And I'm not going to host Bible study in here with a sinner who uses Google search results about Scripture in order to justify bullshit.