..intervene in human affairs or answer Prayers?
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Madotsuki_the_Dreamer — 1 month ago(February 27, 2026 09:25 AM)
Alright, let's break this down and show why this so-called "mathematical proof" of Jesus's resurrection is about as solid as a house of cards in a hurricane. We'll tackle each section with the precision of a scalpel and the ruthlessness of a chainsaw.
The Resurrection as Historical Fact – The Linchpin
Claims and Counterpoints
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Jesus' Claims of Divinity and Predictions
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Claim
: Jesus claimed divinity and predicted his death and resurrection.
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Counterpoint
: Claims of divinity and self-prophecy are common in various religious and cultural contexts. They don't inherently validate truth but rather reflect the cultural and psychological milieu of the time.
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Historical Confirmation of Crucifixion
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Claim
: Crucifixion confirmed by Roman and Jewish sources.
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Counterpoint
: While Tacitus and Josephus mention a "Christus" and the Talmud references a "hanged man," these sources are far from definitive proofs of the supernatural. They merely confirm that a man named Jesus was crucified, which is historically plausible without any divine intervention.
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Empty Tomb
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Claim
: ~75% of scholars accept the empty tomb as historical fact.
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Counterpoint
: The empty tomb is a weak argument. It relies heavily on the assumption that the tomb was indeed empty and not merely misidentified or relocated. Moreover, the reliability of the witnesses (who were likely biased) is questionable.
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Post-Mortem Appearances
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Claim
: Appearances to disciples, women, and 500+ at once.
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Counterpoint
: Group hallucinations are well-documented phenomena. The reliability of these accounts is dubious, especially given the emotional and psychological state of the witnesses.
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Radical Transformation of Disciples
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Claim
: Disciples went from cowards to martyrs.
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Counterpoint
: Human behavior can change drastically due to a variety of factors, including social dynamics, psychological trauma, and ideological conversion. Martyrdom is not unique to Christianity and can be observed in other religious and political movements.
Scholarly Probability Assessments
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N.T. Wright's Assessment
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Claim
: Resurrection is the "best historical explanation."
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Counterpoint
: Wright's assessment is subjective and influenced by his theological bias. Historical explanations can be multifaceted and do not require supernatural intervention.
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Gary Habermas' Survey
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Claim
: 75%+ of scholars affirm the "minimal facts."
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Counterpoint
: Surveys can be misleading. The "minimal facts" are often cherry-picked to support a pre-existing belief system. Moreover, consensus among scholars does not equate to truth; it merely indicates popular opinion within a field.
Bayesian Analysis
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Claim
: Swinburne assigns ~97% probability; McGrew et al. find odds of 10^34 to 1.
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Counterpoint
: Bayesian analysis is only as good as the priors and likelihoods assigned. These probabilities are highly dependent on subjective interpretations and assumptions. For example, assigning a prior probability to miracles based on Hume's skepticism already biases the outcome.
Reinforced Prophetic Fulfillments
Messianic Prophecies
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Peter Stoner's Calculation
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Claim
: Probabilities for specific prophecies fulfilled by Jesus.
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Counterpoint
: Stoner's calculations are flawed. They assume independent events when many prophecies are interdependent. Moreover, the selection of prophecies is biased towards those that can be interpreted as fulfilled by Jesus.
Post-Christ Fulfillments
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Temple Destruction and Jerusalem Trampled
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Claim
: Fulfilled prophecies regarding temple destruction and Jerusalem.
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Counterpoint
: These events can be explained by historical and political factors without invoking divine intervention. The destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans in 70 CE was a well-documented historical event with clear political and military causes.
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Diaspora and Regathering
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Claim
: Odds of Israel's survival and regathering.
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Counterpoint
: Historical events can have multiple causes and are not necessarily evidence of divine intervention. The survival and regathering of Israel can be attributed to geopolitical factors and human agency.
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Daniel 9:24-27
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Claim
: Exact match of prophetic years.
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Counterpoint
: The interpretation of prophetic years is subjective and can be manipulated to fit various historical events. The "exact match" is a result of selective interpretation rather than objective evidence.
Miracles – Ongoing Validation
Historical Miracles
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Claim
: Documented saint resurrections and Eucharistic miracles.
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Counterpoint
: Historical miracles are often shrouded in legend and myth. The reliability of these accounts is questionable, and many can be explained by natural phenomena or exaggeration over time.
Modern Miracles
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Claim
: Lourdes healings and Eucharistic miracles.
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Counterpoint
: Modern miracles are subject to scientific scrutiny. Many alleged miracles can be explained by medical conditions or psychological factors. The approval rate of <1% suggests that most cl -
Soul_Venom — 1 month ago(February 27, 2026 03:46 PM)
Lol!
Let me guess. You asked the AI to show proof the resurrection was fake but did not allow the AI to see any of our prior discussion.
Cause that's the exact sort of nonsense I got when I asked it to do the same thing.
Try again but this time copy pause our prior discussion in to it can evaluate all the data.
Trump is still your President. Charlie Kirk still Wins! -
Soul_Venom — 4 weeks ago(March 03, 2026 07:45 PM)
I assume that is what the AI told YOU.
You should have informed the AI that you are not warren. I am sure the AI would have apologized for the misunderstanding.
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Soul_Venom — 1 month ago(February 24, 2026 09:00 AM)
He does.
He may no long need to act on "10 plagues of Egypt" level but He definitely acts. He also answers prayers. Though the most common answer is "No." because people tend to ask for things they don't need or which would be actively bad for them.
Keep in mind that His definition of bad for you is different than yours. For example you may think that winning the lottery and becoming a millionaire is 'good' for you. But He can see you falling prey to temptation and vice and ending up far away from Him. If you end your life far from God you end up in hell. That is bad for you. [DUH!] Thus He will only give you things that bring you closer to Him, this can include trials and tribulations.
Trump is still your President. Charlie Kirk still Wins! -
Soul_Venom — 1 month ago(February 25, 2026 08:18 PM)
Well, first off the Bible is full of them. If that ain't good enough check any Christian forum. And if you still aint satisfied look to the Oval Office.
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Soul_Venom — 1 month ago(February 27, 2026 08:20 AM)
He did. 2000 years ago on the cross. That was like D-Day. After that german's fall was inevitable to any outside observer. There was just to much force coming at the nazi's to ever overcome.
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Soul_Venom — 1 month ago(February 27, 2026 08:28 AM)
No. Not whatever. It is important and one of the biggest misconceptions out there.
https://www.filmboards.com/board/t/Christianity-not-protected-by-the-1st-Amendment-3280694/
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Soul_Venom — 1 month ago(February 27, 2026 05:04 PM)
In Luke 22:36 (NLT), Jesus tells his disciples to buy a sword, saying: “But now,” he said, “take your money and a traveler’s bag. And if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one!”
Jesus IS God. He knew all about guns.
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LadyGigi Savige — 1 month ago(February 27, 2026 06:48 PM)
A sword is not the same as a firearm. Also, a lot of Jesus' messages were proverbs so I would have to read the context of your quote otherwise you might be misinterpreting scripture.
And I'm not going to host Bible study in here with a sinner who uses Google search results about Scripture in order to justify bullshit. -
LadyGigi Savige — 1 month ago(February 27, 2026 07:49 PM)
You guys always talk that bullshit about how we all are sinners whenever someone gives you pushback about your sanctimonious practices. Here you are bringing up Christianity to your detractors but when calls out on your bullshit, your default to we are all sinners.
How bout leaving Jesus out of the equation to begin with??