Fifty Shades Darker
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Eva_Yojimbo — 9 years ago(February 11, 2017 09:08 PM)
Right, it's the "open and direct" (ie, explicit) part that doesn't fit with 50 Shades and its ilk. I'd also argue that such films, unlike traditional porn, aim to do more than cause sexual excitement.
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Eva_Yojimbo — 9 years ago(February 11, 2017 09:13 PM)
If you see a penis or other object going into a vagina then that's "open and direct." Less than that and you're imagining more than you're seeing. There is no such real sex being shown in 50 Shades, and this is how the distinction is made in the real world.
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Eva_Yojimbo — 9 years ago(February 11, 2017 09:16 PM)
What in the world do you think "open and direct" means? If you aren't seeing it, then it's being suggested. If it's being suggested it's not "open and direct."
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TRUMP_Ftw — 9 years ago(February 12, 2017 11:25 AM)
The
representation
in books, magazines, photographs, films, and other media of scenes of sexual behavior that are erotic or lewd and are designed to arouse sexual interest.
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Eva_Yojimbo — 9 years ago(February 12, 2017 12:13 PM)
Your new strategy seems to be to throw out as many definitions as possible to distract from the idiocy of your first one. Nice try, but you can't make reality go a different way depending on how you define words. You'll never find 50 Shades for sale in a porn shop.
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TRUMP_Ftw — 9 years ago(February 12, 2017 12:15 PM)
The
representation
in books, magazines, photographs, films, and other media
of scenes of sexual behavior
that are erotic or lewd and are designed to arouse sexual interest.
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Eva_Yojimbo — 9 years ago(February 12, 2017 12:37 PM)
Your new strategy seems to be to throw out as many definitions as possible to distract from the idiocy of your first one. Nice try, but you can't make reality go a different way depending on how you define words. You'll never find 50 Shades for sale in a porn shop.
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TRUMP_Ftw — 9 years ago(February 12, 2017 12:46 PM)
The representation in books, magazines, photographs, films, and other media of scenes of sexual behavior that are erotic or lewd and are designed to arouse sexual interest.
That's the first official definition I threw out and you ignored it just like you're doing now.
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Eva_Yojimbo — 9 years ago(February 12, 2017 12:57 PM)
I said nothing about an "official" definition, I said YOUR first definition, which was: "If it contains nudity then it is porn."
The problem with many of your "official" definitions is that they are far too subjective to be of use. What's "lewd" is entirely subjective; we don't know the intention ("designed to arouse sexual interest") of those that made it. However, any definition that mentions "explicit" or "open and direct" depictions of sex is objective; they point to things in the work itself as a means of classifying it. Under your "first official definition," one could classify a horror film like Don't Look Now as porn merely because it contains one (rather famous) sex scene, while the rest of the film is a psychological horror, which is asinine.
The entire purpose of defining pornography is to distinguish between films that are explicitly sexual, whose only goal seems to be to "arouse sexual interest," and those where sex may play an important role, but which are not explicit and which are about more than just the sex. 50 Shades is really about the psychology behind the sexual relationship it depicts.
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TRUMP_Ftw — 9 years ago(February 12, 2017 06:59 PM)
There's nothing subjective about the definition I gave. 50 shades is showing nudity and sexual behavior. It's pornographic.
What's "lewd" is entirely subjective; we don't know the intention ("designed to arouse sexual interest") of those that made it.
Sure we don't. It's just so difficult to figure out.
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Eva_Yojimbo — 9 years ago(February 12, 2017 07:14 PM)
There's nothing subjective about the definition I gave.
How is "lewd" not subjective?
50 shades is showing nudity and sexual behavior. It's pornographic.
Yeah, so do a sh!t-ton of mainstream films that no sane person would label pornographic. Your definitions basically classify every single film with a sex scene as pornography, and that's stupid.
Sure we don't. It's just so difficult to figure out.
Yeah, it kinda is. There's a huge body of literature on this subject, especially in 20th century aesthetic philosophy.
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TRUMP_Ftw — 9 years ago(February 12, 2017 07:20 PM)
Yeah, so do a sh!t-ton of mainstream films that no sane person would label pornographic.
Nice try.
Your definitions basically classify every single film with a sex scene as pornography, and that's stupid.
As long as it has nudity and sex acts, it is.
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Eva_Yojimbo — 9 years ago(February 12, 2017 07:36 PM)
You're mangling words when you think a sex scene with nudity makes a film pornographic. Nobody defines pornography that way.
nice try suggesting Christians are insane.
You and anyone who agrees with you is insane. This has nothing to do with being Christian. I could go wrangle up 100 Christians and I'd wager you wouldn't get 1/100 to agree that Terminator is porn because it contains nudity and a sex scene.
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TRUMP_Ftw — 9 years ago(February 12, 2017 07:41 PM)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Softcore_pornography
You lost again.
I could go wrangle up 100 Christians and I'd wager you wouldn't get 1/100 to agree that Terminator is porn because it contains nudity and a sex scene.
But if anyone of them were practicing Christians they would all recognize that 50 shades is pornography. Terminator isn't pornography but does contain a pornographic scene there is no getting around it.
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Eva_Yojimbo — 9 years ago(February 12, 2017 07:50 PM)
How did I "lose?" Your link has no relevance to anything I've been saying. Another word for "softcore pornography" is "erotica" and there's real debate as to whether it should even count as "pornography" for several reasons. It's closer to mainstream films in that many are shown in mainstream theaters, rented in mainstream stores (back when they were still around), on Netflix, often shown on cable TV, etc. Compare that to hardcore pornography that isn't. Something like Emmanuelle is still extremely different from Deep Throat, and both are extremely different to 50 Shades. There's a spectrum between them of sexual explicitness, how much sex is involved, and how much other considerations (characters, drama, themes, aesthetics, etc.) play a part. You think you can just erase all these differences because of how you define a word? Reality doesn't work like that, bub.
But if anyone of them were practicing Christians they would all recognize that 50 shades is pornography.
I'm sure some would, but hardly all.
Terminator isn't pornography but does contain a pornographic scene there is no getting around it.
So you think the only purpose of the sex scene in Terminator is to arouse sexual interest in the audience? It has no relevance to the plot or characters, no aesthetic consideration given to how it's filmed/presented? You watch it and all you think is "boner time?" No wonder you insist on such a juvenile label when your mind is that juvenile.
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TRUMP_Ftw — 9 years ago(February 12, 2017 07:54 PM)
How did I "lose?"
Right here.
It typically contains nude or semi-nude actors involved in love scenes, and is intended to be sexually arousing
and aesthetically beautiful.
I doubt it. Some might, but not all.
You don't know what a practicing Christian is?
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