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Oglaigh_na_hEireann1981 — 9 years ago(January 09, 2017 12:13 PM)

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pconley22 — 9 years ago(January 09, 2017 12:22 PM)

Huh? No offense, but is there a typo somewhere?
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Oglaigh_na_hEireann1981 — 9 years ago(January 09, 2017 12:24 PM)

Fixed.
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pconley22 — 9 years ago(January 09, 2017 12:33 PM)

I'm sorry. I'm still confused.
I didn't think atheists
did
think had to come into being. Atheism is the rejection that God exists.
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Miscella — 9 years ago(January 09, 2017 12:25 PM)

Aren't they the ones who ask who or what created God, as if that's a rhetorical question?

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rowan_morrison — 9 years ago(January 09, 2017 12:38 PM)

It is a question, but not a rhetorical one.
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Miscella — 9 years ago(January 09, 2017 12:41 PM)

I always answer it anyway, but do they not present it as a rhetorical question?

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rowan_morrison — 9 years ago(January 09, 2017 12:49 PM)

For me it's a simple bit of logic: if a god requires no creator then nor does the universe, and if the universe requires a creator then so does a god.
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Miscella — 9 years ago(January 09, 2017 12:57 PM)

For me it's a simple bit of logic: if a god requires no creator then nor does the universe, and if the universe requires a creator then so does a god.
I'm not sure how logical it is to say that the created is on equal footing with its creator in terms of those requirements.

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Isapop — 9 years ago(January 09, 2017 01:04 PM)

I'm not sure how logical it is to say that the created is on equal footing with its creator in terms of those requirements.
Logical fallacy.
You're positing something that doesn't need a creator to squirm out of the original premise that EVERYTHING must have a creator.

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Miscella — 9 years ago(January 09, 2017 01:07 PM)

the original premise that EVERYTHING must have a creator.
That isn't the premise of the argument.

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Isapop — 9 years ago(January 09, 2017 01:11 PM)

Of course it is.

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Miscella — 9 years ago(January 09, 2017 01:13 PM)

Are you new here? See the thread entitled "The First Cause Argument."

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Isapop — 9 years ago(January 09, 2017 01:45 PM)

This is about your illogical response to rowan's comment on THIS thread:
if the universe requires a creator then so does a god.

I'm not sure how logical it is to say that the created is on equal footing with its creator in terms of those requirements.

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Miscella — 9 years ago(January 09, 2017 02:05 PM)

I don't remember any premise in THIS thread that has anything to do with my response to rowan's comment, let alone an
original
one that states EVERYTHING must have a creator. In any case, anything that is created requires a creator, for nothing can create itself.

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rowan_morrison — 9 years ago(January 09, 2017 01:06 PM)

Why do you think that?
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Miscella — 9 years ago(January 09, 2017 01:12 PM)

Why do you think that?
If god is the creator, and the universe is the created, then
"If the creator requires no creator then nor does the created, and if the created requires a creator then so does the creator."
Still logical? Because I'm having trouble seeing the logic of asserting that something which is created doesn't require a creator. After all, nothing can create itself.
In any case, asking who or what created God is like asking what came before the first or what comes after the last.

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rowan_morrison — 9 years ago(January 09, 2017 01:16 PM)

If "nothing can create itself", how did any gods come into existence?
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Miscella — 9 years ago(January 09, 2017 01:19 PM)

If it
came into existence
, it isn't "God". Just like if there was anything before it, it isn't the first, or if there is anything after it, it isn't the last.

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rowan_morrison — 9 years ago(January 09, 2017 01:21 PM)

How do you know your god did not "come into existence"?
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